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To: mojitojoe
"No asshat, what I said was that your statement was false and a lie and it is.

First of all, I think it would help you cause if you kept the name calling to a minimum. That is what the do at DU.

Second, my original statement and you original reply is below. How it relates to this last post of yours is, well frankly, lost on me.

"This is ridiculous. The REPUBLICAN Governor of the state and the Lt. Governor (the de facto HI Secretary of State) have both said that the Obama Hawaiian birth certificate is LEGITIMATE.

_____________________ THAT IS A BALD FACED LIE. THEY NEVER SAID THAT..........stop lying. Post the links, show me where they said what you think they said. Link has to be from a reputable source, not from some moonbats blog.

I looked for Lingle's original quote, but couldn't find it. Let me point you to an article that was posted by DJ Reyes on 10/31/08 in the Honolulu Star Bulletin. It addresses this issue and includes a statement by the State Health Director, Chiyome Fukino

http://blogs.starbulletin.com/inpolitics/certified/

The best quote is this one, and it is completely unambiguous...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”

Now, to continue to claim that this isn't the folly of some conspiracy theorists, then the following MUST be true.

No few than 5 Hawaiian state employees or elected officials are engaged in a cover up, on behalf of Barack Obama.

Does that really sound reasonable to you.

178 posted on 03/01/2009 12:17:41 PM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
No few than 5 Hawaiian state employees or elected officials are engaged in a cover up, on behalf of Barack Obama.

Straw man argument. None of those officials (although I only count 3, including the governor) said they had seen the certificate, they said they had seen that the state has a certificate.

You have to properly parse what they stated.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

Thus they saw and verfied that such certificate is on file, they did not say they saw the certificate or what was on it.

They aren't supposed to look at it any more than anyone else, except as required to fill a valid request for that information. However, unless a copy is specifically requested, no one needs to see the original, as the information comes from a database, as you have said, so all they see is the abstract, assuming printing, folding and stuffing in an envelope isn't also automated, which it very well could be.

The only person to have seen the actual certificate would have been the person who abstracted the information from it into the computer database. That was likely a decade or more, likely more, ago.

333 posted on 03/01/2009 10:44:36 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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