'Sanctions' sought in President's Eligibility case

WorldNet Daily ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[SvenMagnussen]

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.

[SvenMagnussen]

Woocher appointed by Clinton and the Judge a conservative that recently ruled against Planned Parenthood ... I’d say Obama has an uphill climb.

[DMZFrank]

“WHAT could be so damning on a birth certificate?”

The information that reveals he is not a natural born citizen.

[BP2]

Problem is that there are those on FR who are not lawyers and just pretend to know it all on FR. They get their jollies by arguing with real lawyers.

No prob. I take the opportunity to expose those frauds, and try to educate at the same time. I like having fun at their expense!

And please understand... OF COURSE women have the Constitutional right to hold the Executive and Congressional Elected offices. The real reason “HE” is not defined in the Constitution has more to do with the fact that English, unlike other languages, LACKS a gender-neutral pronoun.

But I point out that the Constitution doesn't use the word “SHE” to make my point to the “NBC-is-not-defined nutjobs.” Not ALL things are “defined” in the Constitution because the Framers felt that many common phrases of the day were CLEARLY understand — defining NBC was not really felt to be necessary. Most had a copy of Law of Nations at their deskside and felt that defining NBC then would be like needing to define "sexual relations" today -- everyone knows what "sexual relations" means (except of course if you're a Bill Clinton supporter).

Many of the SAME Framers (especially Washington) who were present to sign the Constitution in 1787, were also present for BOTH the 1790 & 1795 Immigration Acts. They KNEW what NBC stood for, tried to expand it to include soldiers’ children born overseas in 1790, and felt later it was unnecessary to do so in the 1795 Immigration Act.

BTW, here is a good online accounting of the events at the creation of the Constitution (including a brief reference to the debate on having THREE presidents in the Executive on June 2nd & 4th):

Notes of the Secret Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787...

[Fred Nerks]

WHAT could be so damning on a birth certificate?

IMO IF the date stamp we can see that bleeds through from the back of the 'Certification of Live Birth' presented on the fightthesmears website - IIRC it was June 6, 2007 - is the date the document was 'produced' THEN ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE HURT HIS CAMPAIGN WOULD BE DAMNING!

Anything at all that negates the carefully constructed myth of 'Dreams From My Father'.

[SvenMagnussen]

“They” and “them” are gender neutral pronouns.

A little information can be dangerous when full disclosure is necessary.

[DMZFrank]

"And no, he was never an Indonesian citizen. That has been decisively ruled out, so the allegation that he was a registered as a foreign student is so absurd that it does not merit much comment". That is absolutely not true. The Television show Inside Edition went to Jakarta's Francis Assisi Scool, and filed a registration form that listed his name as Barry Soetero, religion: Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen. I want to see all this evidence tested in a proper court of law, where Hussein's counsels get an opportunity to rebut it. You do not, and that is why you speak like an enemy of the rule of law. There is MORE than enough evidence for adjudication.

[cripplecreek]

Funny thing about attorneys. They assume that since they went to school to become attorneys it means they know it all when it comes to law. They don’t.

Just the other day a local attorney called my mother (a retired truck driver) to ask her advice about truck driving and drunk driving laws. He assumed a drunk driving arrest meant the end of truck driving for his client but someone in his office suggested that he speak with a driver before entering a plea.

She sent him to a site that explained the laws regarding truck driving and alcohol in this state. It gave him a starting point to find some somewhat obscure legal mumbo jumbo. His client now has a restricted CDL. (he wasn’t driving the truck drunk)

BTW the attorney doesn’t normally do criminal defense but was doing as a favor so he probably would have known if defense was his normal area of expertise.

[DMZFrank]

Let me clean that up a bit "And no, he was never an Indonesian citizen. That has been decisively ruled out, so the allegation that he was a registered as a foreign student is so absurd that it does not merit much comment". That is absolutely not true. The Television show Inside Edition went to Jakarta's Francis Assisi Scool, and filmed a registration form that listed his name as Barry Soetero, religion: Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen. I want to see all this evidence tested in a proper court of law, where Hussein's counsels get an opportunity to rebut it. You do not, and that is why you speak like an enemy of the rule of law. There is MORE than enough evidence for adjudication.

[autumnraine]

Give me a year (I know, yeah right) and I can help. By then I hope to have my Criminal Justice degree and can legally investigate more powerfully than I can now.

[BonRad]

“Tell that to the Congressmen AND CongressWOMEN who have tried, AND FAILED, to modify or remove the “Natural Born Citizen” clause a total of 26 times since the 1870s. THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW SOMETHING YOU DO NOT.”

26 times- well that’s new to me, not that I’ve been zoned in properly. That’s remarkable, BP2. Have you listed these or have a link? Certainly bolsters the point.

Touche!

Oh we are the family of man, finally, eh?! The spelling hasn’t been changed to womyn. We don’t have as words womanagers, personholes, womaniplators etc. Its only the ‘important’ things like chairperson we seem to have this inclusive dreck.

[mlo]

The lawsuits don’t simply ask for the “vault copy”. Providing it wouldn’t end them.

Orly and Berg have been filing frivolous lawsuits without factual basis. If the court doesn’t penalize them, it should.

[visually_augmented]

From the article posted: “In the case, handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation, records were subpoenaed documenting Obama’s attendance at Occidental College.”

curiosity:”Second of all, there are certain privacy laws colleges have to follow. I’m not a lawyer, but I seriously doubt they can just release student records to any plaintiff who asks for them. I’m pretty sure a judge has to order it, and I seriously doubt that’s happened here.”

Based on the article, you are incorrect. Occidental College was issued a subpoena for these records. Which is exactly why Obama’s team became so hostile as shown below:

From the article: “Woocher warned, “Please be advised, in particular, that in the event we are forced to file a motion to quash and we prevail in that motion, we will seek the full measure of monetary sanctions provided for in the Code of Civil Procedures.”

The hornets nest has been riled up! This is a good sign that these cases are starting to make the Obama team nervous. And as you indicated from your post, Obama probably has a lot to be nervous about...

[Chief Engineer]

I have found no indication at this time that there were separate sections of the dorms assigned to foreign students and many of the names of fellow dorm mates of Jr were quite “American” for lack of a better word.

[little jeremiah]

Hmm, I remember reading it somewhere. Maybe it wasn’t when he was at Oxy, but at Columbia? But there has been practically nothing coming out of Columbia. Anyway, you would be the one who knows. I know I read it in one articles, at some point in time... (Yeah, really useful pinpointing here.)

[Chief Engineer]

Jr never lived on campus while attending Columbia College, and I didn’t know he only lived in the dorms for one of his two years at Oxy until one of the articles was released by a friend of his(and fellow student at both Oxy and Columbia, pictured standing on that multi-colored carpet in NYC) in late January of this year. The article I am referring to is the same one which has the picture of Jr and Saddiq sitting together on the couch if that helps you any. As far as I can tell the comment of Jr only living with foreigners is yet another internet rumor and I can find no basis in fact for it. Some of the first interviews with people who were students at Oxy the same time as Jr were totally American and some of those people were not very flattering in their opinion of him!

[MHGinTN]

What you wrote is logical, reasonable, and in fact quite accurate ... except for one thing: Barry Soetoro is the affirmative action poseur-in-chief, so all of the normal legal requirements and statutes are set aside for the affirmative action. To his sycophantic worshippers, his being president is more vital to this nation than the moldy old constitutional contract. Appears that is the same frame of mind at the Roberts subpreme court, too.

[MHGinTN]

Obamanoids are liars. They have to be to dissemble for their Marxist messiah.

[justiceseeker93]

Ther must be something really incredible on that vault birth certificate which would cause quite a stir.

It's becoming more and more apparent that the "something" is his place of birth: in Kenya (specifically, according to some sources, Mombasa, Kenya - a city on the Indian Ocean coastline).

[justiceseeker93]

Actually, in the case discussed in the posted article - Keyes v. Obama - the Hawaii vault BC is not the subject of subpoena, to the best of our knowledge. The plantiff's attorneys subpoenaed O's college records from Occidental, which could well indicate that he was not born in the US and/or that he is or was a foreign national during his years at "Oxy." (1979-81). That's why the defense attorneys are nervous and making threats of possible court sanctions against the plaintiffs and their attorneys.

[justiceseeker93]

"wall of lawyers"

These cases raise "stonewalling" to a level that Nixon could never have dreamed of.