Posted on 01/26/2009 9:13:21 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Failed expectations are not necessarily a problem for a theory. [1] But what if fundamental predictions are consistently falsified? As we shall see this is the case with Darwin’s theory of evolution...
(Excerpt) Read more at darwinspredictions.com ...
The hoaxes are out there. Even the other evos don't deny that.
Where do you think they came from is not scientists?
I thought evidence was proof. So the objective appears not to be evidence of proof or proof of evidence. Rather it is the process by which is acceptable to *deal* with said evidence.
There are, literally, hundred of thousands of hoaxes which have been perpetrated by evos.
If you believe that, I have some nice waterfront property to sell you in FL.
Whoever created that knew just what they were doing and did an excellent job of it; way too good a job for some fossil merchant or poor backwards Chinese farmer.
Excellent!
Provide some evidence to the contrary, then.
Whoever created that knew just what they were doing and did an excellent job of it; way too good a job for some fossil merchant or poor backwards Chinese farmer.
We're all entitled to our speculations, I suppose. But, even if the fabrication was pulled off by some Chinese archeologist, there's no proof that this was an attempt to bolster the TOE (and, of course, it was other scientists who debunked this hoax).
See, the evos on FR, they redefine words so they can say that they deny that they're saying.
Well DUH!!!!
Why else would someone create a fraud if not to bolster the ToE?
Ah, the old *but scientists are the heroes because they exposed the fraud* BS.
We'll just conveniently ignore that fact that they perpetrated them in their unreasoning frenzy to establish the ToE beyond any reasonable doubt.
And, they only ‘fessed up when they got busted.
It's one hypothesis. I don't really know what it is based on.
Religion is not limited to creation stories.
Okay.
Science is just as much a religion as it is based upon stories as old as time itself.
How is science like religion?
There is nothing new about the notion that God did not do what He said He did.
You're a little self-abosrbed in this regard (hint: it's not about you and disproving your religion)
You are attempting to split hairs.
No, I'm pointing out a fact- the TOE does not cover life's origins.
There is no TOE if there is no origin.
Of course. But for TOE purposes, life's origins aren't relevant.
And the world renowned promoters of all things TOE always introduce TOE as coming out of a recently determined 'hot' steaming pot of primordial pond scum.
Life's origins are of natural interest to biologists. But, again, they're separate from the TOE.
How does that work? The TOE does not deal with life's origins.
So they have to make an arbitrary distinction between whatever preceded the first cell; that thing that the first cell evolved from, and the first cell itself.
The difference between existing life and non-life is not arbitrary. The TOE has no application outside of already-existing life.
It’s intellectually dishonest to exclude part of the process from the process itself to try to *prove* that the process works.
You might as well critique the TOE because it can't explain where the universe came from. Any theory fails if you try to apply it to an area outside the scope of such theory.
Yes like TOE does not address that supposed hot steamy pot of primordial pond scum. But that supposed pot is always there when the introduction into the scientific methodology gets given.
I refuse any longer to ignore what they claim and then disclaim when it suits their methodology.
There is nothing to cover because it never happened.
In the case of archeoraptor, it appears the motivation was to make money. If it was an attempt to bolster the TOE, it was a pretty poor try.
We don't know what the motivation was behind Piltdown Man, since the hoaxer was never discovered. Again, scientists were suspicious of the find early on- it just didn't jibe with the other evidence.
Ah, the old *but scientists are the heroes because they exposed the fraud* BS.
Not heros. Just honest people applying the scientifc method. If scientists were truly interested in advancing the TOE at all costs, why would some of them debunk fake fossils?
We'll just conveniently ignore that fact that they perpetrated them in their unreasoning frenzy to establish the ToE beyond any reasonable doubt.
You keep claiming that, but provide no evidence. Wanting to believe something does not make it true.
Following your logic, then, the Louvre is responsible for the work of art forgers.
And, they only ‘fessed up when they got busted.
National Geographic jumped the gun on releasing the fossil. There was no evidence that anyone was trying to perpetrate a fraud. And, again, it was scientists who figured out the problems with the fossil.
Life never began?
Hoaxers as hoax-stoppers, disinformation disseminators as gun-jumpers, frauds as oversights....
You're quite the clear-eyed realist.
No wonder you believe in evolution.
Are you going to dispute the claims in his post? Or is it as I suspect: That you are nothing but empty rhetoric and lame, useless comebacks?
There are, literally, hundred of thousands of hoaxes which have been perpetrated by evos.
Name five genuine frauds/hoaxes in hominid evolution or stop making your claim. Again, I'll spot you Piltdown Man, a true hoax.
Now come up with four more examples of frauds or hoaxes with the fossils in hominid evolution.
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