Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment
too bad
I guess the question isn’t whether America deserves to survive but whether Americans really deserve democracy.
***Ouch. The obvious answer would be NO. What can be done in a few short years to get that answer turned around?
bttt
Oh that’s likely true, but my comment was just that he’s going to be busy based on his previous claim that he’ll challenge every presidential action until someone “proves” eligibility unequivocally.
Did I ask you a question?
I was commenting to dman4384 and using his quote.
Who cares if it’s the umpteetnh time? Go agitate someone else.
FROM Leo http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
DONOFRIO APPLICATION DENIED - WROTNOWSKI APPLICATION STILL PENDING
Posted in Uncategorized on December 8, 2008 by naturalborncitizen
My application was denied. The Honorable Court chose not to state why.
Wrotnowksi v. Connecticut Secretary of State is still pending as an emergency application resubmitted to the Honorable Associate Justice Antonin Scalia as of last Tuesday. I worked extensively on that application and it includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower Court procedural history.
After six days, it’s interesting that Scalia neither denied it nor referred it to the full Court.
My case may have suffered from the NJ Appellate Division Judge having incorrectly characterized my original suit as a “motion for leave to appeal” rather than the “direct appeal” that it actually was. On Dec 21 I filed official Judicial misconduct charges with the NJ Supreme Court Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, and I updated SCOTUS about that by a letter which is part of SCOTUS Docket as of Dec. 22. The NJ Appellate Divison official case file is fraudulent.
On the chance that SCOTUS was looking at both my case and Cort’s case, I must stress that Cort’s case does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does. It may be that without a decision on the Judicial misconduct allegation correcting the NJ Appellate Division case file, SCOTUS might have been in the position of not being able to hear my case as it would appear that my case was not before them on the proper procedural grounds.
I did file a direct appeal under the proper NJ Court rules, but the lower Court judge refused to acknowledge that and if his fraudulent docketing was used by SCOTUS they would have a solid procedural basis to throw mine out.
I don’t know if it’s significant that Cort’s case was not denied at the same time as mine. His case argues the same exact theory - that Obama is not a natural born citizen because he was a British citizen at birth.
All eyes should now be closely watching US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz.
If Cort’s application is also denied then the fat lady can sing. Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort’s application before SCOTUS incorporates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on the arguments in Cort’s quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it.
I was in a rush to get mine to SCOTUS before election day, which I did do on Nov. 3.
Cort’s case has a much cleaner lower court procedural history.
I’m not trying to play with people’s minds here. SCOTUS has not updated Cort’s docket and until they do there can be no closure. I was expecting, if they didn’t grant certiorari, that they would deny both cases at the same time so as to provide closure to the underlying issue. I hate to read tea leaves, but Cort’s application is still pending. That’s all we can really say with any certainty.
WHEN in the Course of human Events,-PJ
it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
The certified copy is proof, okay? Such documents are normally accorded a presumption of validity, which may be overcome only by a demonstration of fraud, illegal alteration, or replacement. Is the copy that Obama made public legitimate? I don’t know. But a Hawaiian court has ruled that it is, whether you think that’s right or wrong. Proof of the certificate’s illegitimacy would need to be presented in a compelling way to overcome the legal presumption of validity. So far, all I’ve seen are 2nd and 3rd hand examinations of .jpgs and .tiff files on the Internet, which does not exactly fill me with confidence.
Total crazy talk, Obama was born in this country by all accounts. He won the election. We will survive his presidency. Let’s get to work fixing our party. All this talk about war among Americans is just nuts. This case sought to change the definition of a natural born citizen. It was never going anywhere and shouldn’t. I would rather defeat the Democrats then play games with the constitution in order to remove Obama as president. They won, we lost-move on.
I had forgotten about that. But still I doubt they will ever take it up on anyone's suit.
No Hawaiian court has ever ruled on this. Where are you getting that info ?
Obama won a much bigger victory than 2000 or 2004. Come on, lets not lie to ourselves. He took red states. It was a repudiation of Republicans. We must accept this if we are to fix the problem. This sort of think will not work which is why talk radio won’t touch it.
You are "right on" we are indeed in a heap of trouble.
More or less. John Adams stated that the Constitution was good for the governing of a good and religious people and inadequate for the governing of any other.
Mr. Adams was a wise man.
I really don’t think Keyes’ suit is different, although I recognize that some here think that his has more merit (or better chance) than others. In Robinson, the federal California court rejected the argument that AIP electors had standing, essentially calling Keyes’ a minor candidate with no chance of winning. So - that court said that his party representatives had no greater standing than any other voter.
The new Keyes case is in the state court rather than federal court, so there is some chance, I guess. But I’m not holding my breath. They (state courts) will generally follow federal court precedent on federal law issues, and the federal CA court already said no standing, AND said that the proper place for this argument is the voters - then Congress.
So, I’m not so sure that the Keyes case has any better chance than any of the other cases.
Some of it reads a little too pat, a little too aimed at American sensibilities and not really info for the Ruskies but I have to say, there is a lot of truth in the piece. He nails the obfuscation of TV and it’s distraction from the important with a steady diet of worthless entertainment industry news.
All in all interesting reading.
bttt
okay
Right-the public won’t stand for it. We are in the middle of a huge recession. No one cares about this. It is viewed as a few right wing loon refusing to accept the election result.
If by some miracle, the election was overturned, the Republicans would be blamed for everything bad...the markets would sink to 30’s depression levels. The country would be furious and Republicans would never win anything again. Thank God, Scotus shows sense.
Arnold Schwartzenegger is no doubt already making his plans.
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