Beware Birth Certificate Hopefuls - You are in for quite a suprise (vanity)

[Scythian]

This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.

First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.

Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.

Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.

[Peter Libra]

Yet President Nixon was hounded from office because he tried to help cover up a third rate burglary. President Kennedy had knowledge of a conspiracy to assassinate a foreign head of state - he wisely counseled against it. He gets a pass though.

If the President-elect happens to tell lies on a legal document- or has dealt in lies, I wonder what will be the attitude of the MSM? I understand on his application to the legal system as lawyer, he stated he was not known by any name other than Barack Hossain Obama. Just a minor detail though, I will concede.

I can hardly wait for those two men, Woodward and Bernstein to get going (sarcasm).

[Peter Libra]

Correction to my above post.

Barack Hussein Obama.

[Fred Nerks]

With a constitutional convention they could do as was done in 1787 and generate a completely new document. Get it ratified by 3/4's of the states (of which they have 2/3's already) and poof, health care is a right, guns are illegal, presidential term limits are gone, "natural born" is gone and "naturalized" is in for president, and on and on. That's the real goal here...the crisis is the means to the goal.

I think you're right. IMO the Constitution was always the target.

[pickyourpoison]

On the lighter side..that million bucks is helping the economy..he did want to help didn’t he.

[Admin Moderator]

Back off now. The moderators will not take your side in this debate.

[Admin Moderator]

We’re not taking your side either. Knock it off with the feuding.

[Fred Nerks]

“...Ted makes the case so much better than I have! And with facts I was aware of, such as the East African Muslim slaving connection to the Luo tribe...”

http://www.popmodal.com/video/99/Ted-Hayes-Statement-on-Barack-Obama

Ted almost makes me cry. He’s an American, obama is an imposter.

[MHGinTN]

I haven’t asked for your protection, I was merely helping the poster get your attention. When I reference ‘obamamnoid kneepads’ I am not nor would I be referring to a sexual behavior. I am referring to equipment used in worshipping the obamamessiah.

[Lmo56]

Here is a fourth. Even if Obama was found to be born in Kenya to an American Mother, I would bet that Pelosi would call a special session and pass an emergency bill to change the four year residency requirement for one parent, retroactively, thus, recognizing Obama’s citizenship by way of his mother.

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Can’t do that - you have to amend the Constitution ... it takes a while ...

Get back to me in say ... 7 years !

[mnehring]

Can’t do that - you have to amend the Constitution ... it takes a while .

Already posted a couple of times, but no you wouldn't. The Constitution states that a person must be a natural born citizen, but it doesn't define what a natural born citizen is. Article 1, section 8 authorizes congress to create those definitions and standards. They have changed many times in our history. Post #174 is the current legal definition and standards of 'natural born citizen'. No amendment needed

[Kevmo]

This account has been banned or suspended.

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Okay

Another CoLB Troll bites the dust.

[LibLieSlayer]

Breaks my lil’ ole pea pickin’ heart! :-)

LLS

[montesquieu]

“MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!”
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Love IT!!! Need that on a bumper sticker... :)

[LibLieSlayer]

Thank you and Merry CHRISTmas FRiend!

LLS

[mnehring]

Happy Holy-Days.

[montesquieu]

We must start a new campaign to say Merry Christmas after every post on FR. Thnx Now where’s the birth certificate?!!

~ Merry Christmas!!!!!!

[x]

It certainly is quite a mystery.

Nobody's really gotten to the bottom of the evidence that Obama was born elsewhere either.

Here's what I was able to find out earlier:

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There may be less in this than people thought. Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother, is 85 years old and doesn't speak English.

She said he was a "son of the village," or that's how the BBC translated it. It's been argued that she said "native of the village," meaning he was born there. That's possible, I guess, but how many people have gotten to the bottom of this? How many people have the language skill to figure it out?

One youtube clip claimed that finding the root "nat" for "to be born" in what she said showed how simple the translation was. But her language doesn't have Latin or Indo-European roots. And even in English we tend to through words like "native" around loosely.

On another clip, the interviewer is the one concerned with establishing that Barack Obama was born in Mombassa. Sarah Obama doesn't have much to say about it. You could argue that family members shut her up or that the translator wouldn't translate, but it's also possible that she really didn't have much or anything to say about where Obama (who isn't actually her grandson, but her late husband's, presumably) was born.

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So all that is pretty shaky. Obama is a "son of Chicago" as well, but that doesn't mean he was born there. Where is this supposed birth certificate from Mombassa? Can we see that?

If Sarah Obama said that Barack was born in the village it would be shaky evidence -- so many of the things she's said look more mythological than factual -- but where's the hard proof that that's what she actually said? What's the real evidence at the bottom of all the speculation?

Still, the fact that Obama doesn't release his papers can only feed speculation that he has something to hide.

[JavaJumpy]

“The larger possibility is that Oba Mao has a valid certificate and just wants to prove he is bigger than the constitution by refusing to show it.”

My coworker insists this is what’s going on. It’s all about power - not the birth certificate. As long as he can ignore the issue, he gains more power. If it gets to a point where it reaches a frenzy, he will produce it and we will all be sent to our respective corners by the media/blogosphere.

[x]

Chester Alan Arthur was the son of Irish born preacher William Arthur and Vermont born Malvina Stone Arthur. Most official references list him as having been born in Fairfield in Franklin County, Vermont on October 5, 1829. However, Arthur sometimes claimed to have been born in 1830 (the date is on his grave inscription and occurs in some reference works). His father had initially migrated to Dunham, Quebec, Canada, where he and his wife at one point owned a farm about 80 miles (129 km) north of the U.S. border.

There has long been speculation that the future president was actually born in Canada and that the family moved to Fairfield later. Given a lack of official documentation and the seeming confusion about the year of Arthur's birth, historians have been unable to rule this possibility out. If Arthur had been born in Canada, he would not have been a "natural-born citizen" and would therefore have been constitutionally ineligible to serve as vice president or president. Some of his opponents circulated the Canada rumor during the 1880 election, but they could not prove it, and no proof has emerged since.

The more things change ...

[Kevmo]

I wonder if there was a lawsuit filed against Chester Alan Arthur regarding his eligibility? It would serve as a precedent.