Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.
First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.
Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.
Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.
Especially not after his corination..er..inauguration.
Nothing will matter after that day.
“When Obama was born, whether in Hawaii or Kenya, he was legally, at the time of his birth, subject to the jurisdiction of both the UK (through his father) and the US (through his mother). Dual allegiances are not allowed for POTUS”.
I am not sure this is true as we’ve had 6 other presidents with immigrant or foreign born parents? Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.
Would this interpretation de-legitimize Jackson, Jefferson, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson and Hoover?
mark
I wasnt commenting on the place of birth, but the marital status of his parents. I was speculating as to why there may be reluctance to divulge the “long form” birth certificate rather than the COLB.
It is interesting as if I remember correctly, the old BC that I had, had my mother’s maiden name listed instead of her married name, but I do know that they were married 4 years before my birth because I have a copy of their marriage license in an estate planning portfolio. curious.
As far as I can tell, it is Donofrio who is redefining the constitution by asking the judges to create a new class of American-born "sub"-citizens that are not equal to other American-born citizens.
I think you are mistaken, he isn't causing a new class of citizens to be created, such a class or sub class already exists and exists because the founding fathers wanted it to, what he is asking is for that class to be defined by law according to the constitution.
Our founding fathers created such a class to protect our government from those whose loyalty to this country was questionable or at least divided, and certainly in doing so they did create a separate class of citizenship however those citizens that fall into this class have all citizen rights and privileges as all others save for one.....They cannot be president.
“Obama has the burden to show his eligibilty thus allowing others to make the determination”
I agree. Someone should verify eligibility. I think that is what Leo Donofrio’s case is at the core. The Sec. of State was certifying eligibility without ever checking it.
“Democrats, being a criminal enterprise,”
I wonder, if they are complicit in a scam to get an ineligible candidate elected (either Obama or Richardson) strictly for the sake of obtaining power, can they be charged under RICO statutes? Or at least conspiracy to commit fraud!
I know exactly what you meant, and if you are right and he is hiding the fact that he is a bastard by lying to the entire country for the sake of his children, what else would he be willing to lie about for the sake of emotional convenience?
Certainly The entire country deserves better then a man that will lie or hide those things in his life story he finds embarrassing to his children.
Thank you FRiend!
LLS
So far as the puppeteers hold sway, they don't have to do anything they don't want to do. 0bama could kill someone and still be sworn in........it's worked for Teddy, hasn't it.
In 1961 the law was plain, that a fourteen year old must then live in the U.S. for five years before she is able to pass citizenship to her child. What the law reads now is not the issue.
Get your mind out of the gutter or be gone. Did you notice that your little obscenity was deleted by the mod? Take a hint, fool.
Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson were both citizens of the United States “at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” so they’re grandfathered in.
If the foreign born parents, of the rest that you mention, were “naturalized citizens” prior to their birth then they’d be “natural born citizens” as both parents were US citizens.
Note congress only has power to “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I , Sec. 8 they have no power to redefine the term “natural born citizen”. That’s the courts job.
If he is a child of an unwed mother that’s not his fault and is irrelevant to his being sworn in as president.
You are the one suggesting that anyone who disagrees with you are performing the obscene acts. Suggest it again and I will chat with the moderators about your habit of using that course and disgusting insult.
ping ... there’s a whine for your attention.
I know it may be annoying, but I have to keep going back to precedent. What happens to the legacies and presidencies of our previous presidents who had foreign born parents? I do not think that we can illegitimize their presidencies? It seems to me that if that was our founders “intent”, Andrew Jackson would’ve never been president.
I wasnt implying that he is lying. I was pondering if he was relying on the COLB, which apparently has been accepted legally, rather than to submit the “long form” because of information that might be sensitive to his family, but not indicative of lack of citizenship. It was just a supposition. I do not think he can “hide” the fact that he is illegitimate to the adult world, but why subject the little girls to unseemly stories about their heritage before the age of understanding? Sorry, but I’m for protecting their innocence. Their parents seem to be setting a positive example for family and the way things should be. Marriage, then children, then parental involvement. I cannot see that the Obamas present themselves as anything but a strong family unit even in the face of his personal upbringing, young and confused mother, and absent-T fathers.
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