but I don't know, there's just somethin' about the guy ... can't quite figure it out ...
Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.
First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.
Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.
Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.
Doesn't work to apologize, you are still performing sexual services to Obama. After all, you disagree with MHGinTN.
Hmmm... I can’t really swear this is true. It is just something I have heard and it makes sense to me. What if a 16 year old unwed pregnant girl took a short trip into Canada to go shopping. If she gave birth unexpectedly in a Canadian hospital, is her child Canadian and not American? I’m pretty sure the child could be either or both.
Wow. I don’t even know how to reply to that one.
Setting a strict requirement for Presidential qualifications in no way relegates anybody to second-class citizen status.
It wouldn’t matter if the child were Canadian or American, for our purposes. The child would not be natural born American, therefore ineligible to be president of the US.
LOL... Well, that explains it then. Thanks, for the heads up.
Okay, then. Thanks, for the info.
I can aspire to the office of the Presidency but my California-born children cannot. This makes my children 2nd-class citizens. That is not only offensive but wholly un-American! I can't see where any court would disagree with this.
This the essence of Donofrio's argument so pardon me if I'm not enthusiastically drinking his Koolaid!
could it be “because” his parents were not married? I mean that would make him “illegitimate” in the bilical sense of the word. Perhaps that is the embarrassing info concealed within? I knew that there was a Hawaiian birth announcement in a Hawaiian news paper, but maybe he’s embarrassed that his mum and dad were perhaps not really “married” and he is thus a bastard child? Then the issue with his mum’s second marriage. Even if the second father “adopted” him, he didnt have his name legally changed and I dont think a parent can renounce a child’s citizenship for them?
Please understand I’m not trying to upset/anger you or anyone else. I’m arguing an idea.
Not everyone is going to agree with Donofrio. I do. You don’t. That’s part of what makes the world go round.
Thanks for the give/take.
If this is an arrogance issue by Zer0, which I do not think it is, then he is not fit to be the leader of my local trash collection company, much less the country:
And by the way, maybe when he does show his BC, he can also take the time to show WE THE PEOPLE the following:
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Not Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released - Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None (Locked up to prohibit public view
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators’ records are intact)
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
<<Fairly comprehensive list! Basically, he has released NOTHING. Does anyone know if past Presidents or Presidential Candidates released most of this information?
Well, 0bama’s parents could not have been legally married as 0bama’s father was already legally married to another woman. Therefore, even if 0bama’s mother did ‘marry’ 0bama’s father, it was not a valid marriage. 0bama could be embarrassed by this, but many people, myself included, already have concluded he is technically a bastard. If 0bama is embarrassed by this, he is too thin skinned. Facts are facts.
aRINOld Schwarzenegger is no second class citizen. He’s the governator of one of the most powerful states in the union. But he is ineligible to be president.
If you have trouble with the definition of “natural born citizen” in the constitution, file a lawsuit like Donofrio did and let yourself be heard. Otherwise, since you’re on a conservative constitutionalist website, take your whining & liberal redefining elsewhere.
It WAS asked before the November “election”. Besides, technically he still has NOT been elected (12/15 election). So people can still keep asking.
Arnold wasn't born in America. My children, like myself, were.
If you have trouble with the definition of “natural born citizen” in the constitution, file a lawsuit like Donofrio did and let yourself be heard. Otherwise, since you’re on a conservative constitutionalist website, take your whining & liberal redefining elsewhere.
As far as I can tell, it is Donofrio who is redefining the constitution by asking the judges to create a new class of American-born "sub"-citizens that are not equal to other American-born citizens.
You and the rest of Donofrio's followers have let your hatred of Obama blind you to his ugly argument.
I'm no fan of Obama but I'm not going to stand by and support the trampling of our Constitution in an effort to keep him from the White House. I fail to see where this promotes conservative, constitutionalist values.
“that since they were born in what became the United States, they were naturally born there.”
Natural born status is referring to whether or not the individual is “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” Obviously our founders were all born subject to the King of England regardless that they were born in the colony, now state of Virginia, or New York, etc. The loop hole was for all of them.
When Obama was born, whether in Hawaii or Kenya, he was legally, at the time of his birth, subject to the jurisdiction of both the UK (through his father) and the US (through his mother). Dual allegiances are not allowed for POTUS.
Well, he does have 2 daughters to think of who are now in the public eye. Perhaps it would not do to have to explain “bastardism” to his young ones? Maybe it’s not himself he’s thinking of but those girls?
As far as I can tell, it is Donofrio who is redefining the constitution
***Then file that lawsuit. If it gets joined by 4 other lawsuits on the Supreme Court docket with the same purpose, I will send $1000 to your case in assistance of your effort.
Do we really want a president that is willing to lie to the entire country to protect the innocence of his children?
Your vote? LOL
You just love to HATE President Bush; you just fought the urge to call him “shrub” to please your buddies on this site who love this lingo?
You 0ba-mites are the Derail Detail, right?
In one of your other posts, you mentioned that we’ll call you MOONBATS. Guess what, no, because you’re mild, little zinger here and there, no big fights featuring chat room swearing because you’ll be kicked out.
YOUR MAIN TASK: derail the obama BC crowd.
We’ll leave it to the SCOTUS, for the time being........
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