Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.
First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.
Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.
Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.
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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.
Thanks, MHGinTn. Good comment. Our lives are determined by the choices we make.
Ping.
When did Obama try to have the definition of ‘natural born’ expanded?
***When the resolution before the Senate in 2000 for McCain came up. He introduced additional language that was rejected.
I doubt the word ‘bastard’ is there, but it may say “Father: UNKNOWN”
I think there’s something fishy about the whole thing, but it may not have anything to do with his eligibility for POTUS.
Excellent. Bookmark that section on Obama using his Kenyan Citizenship for his own benefit.
Under that scenario, much of the narrative fits as well as his own actions.
Thanks lucy for the pings!
I'm not going to bother, since you haven't actually refuted my points. Hand-waving doesn't count.
Now, Democrats, being a criminal enterprise, have no problem with that and many obamanoid operatives are working FR trying to float that position, even resorting to accusing us of being fools to continue on with this issue of constitutional eligibility. But that is just David Axelrod agitprops working his astroturfing campaign for the little affrimative action Chicago squirrel.
There are also obamanoid operatives mining for points to be solved in presenting their fraudulent candidate as eligible ... the bastards want to know everything that can possibly come up or out that will resonate witht eh public so they can formulate astroturfing ways to negate them.
MOST posts I read on FR blieved the API tape did not exist, at least after a VERY short time (such as days), I thought it hokey after the API machinations.
Um, could be that I’m inferring you get on your knees to worship the little Marxist squirrel ... but we see where your mind is, junior.
The Constitution actually says
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”
The phrase “or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” specifically covers Alexander Hamilton since the argument could have been made for the others that since they were born in what became the United States, they were naturally born there. Hamilton would not have had that argument.
"Realize that if he was born to a parent who is a Natural Born citizen then he himself is a Natural Born citizen."
Wrong. The burden is on Barack Obama to prove that he's constitutionally qualified to serve as President. This is not a criminal case. This is the base requirement to be President.
If he fails to prove it, the burden then falls on every elected official, every Elector, every judge, to keep their sworn oath and keep him out of office. He can't be President if he's not a natural born citizen.
Donofrio's argument would ask that the court relegate millions of native-born Americans to the status 2nd-class citizens. This is not, anywhere backed by solid legal argument, precedence, and language found in the Constitution. We tried the "2nd-class citizen" idea before and it didn't work out so well. I doubt the Supreme Court will try so again.
It wasn’t MEANT to be funny.
It was meant to make those who see it THINK and BECOME VERY ANGRY at the trashing of it by “our” alleged “leaders.”
Good!! Sounds like it worked!
Dick Bachert (USAF ‘62-’66)
http://www.virtualwall.org/ds/ShimpAH01a.htm
It wasn’t MEANT to be funny.
It was meant to make those who see it THINK and BECOME VERY ANGRY at the trashing of it by “our” alleged “leaders.”
Good!! Sounds like it worked!
Dick Bachert (USAF ‘62-’66)
http://www.virtualwall.org/ds/ShimpAH01a.htm
Go ask Bush Cheney.
My vote made them get in twice and look what they did?
I repeat, we already became socialist. All is left is official.
Just to be clear, you both know that the only way this might be applicable is if he was born abroad? This law does not apply to someone born in the US.
You are presented facts but rather than construct points that support your assertion to refute those facts, you suggest that people perform sexual acts upon Barack Obama.
Well “old man”, your ability to hold civil discourse, to disseminate information, and to debate in a clear and factual way are lacking in the worst ways possible.
Knock off the ad-hominums and present facts, or sit silently and let your ignorance take a break.
“At the time of Obama’s birth his mother was not four full years past her fourteenth birthdate so she was not able to pass citizenship to him.”
It is my understanding the above does not apply to an unmarried minor. Consider the case of an unmarried 16 year old American who might unexpectably give birth while on a short trip overseas. Is her child not an American? I believe that child is born an American. I understand that was the law even when 0bama was born. If his mother had been legally married, that would be different. Then the father’s citizenship is important.
Perhaps, I heard wrong, but believe me, I’m not trying to find an excuse to confer citizenship on 0bama. I did not vote for him. I do not want him to be President. There is no dissonance factor at work here. I’m just objectively considering all possiblities.
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