Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
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I was born at Queen’s Hospital, Honolulu, Hawaii in March of 1956. Looking at my birth certificate, the signiture of the attending physician is on it. What is the name of Obama’s attending physician?
signiture=signature
Except that one of those "white men" is actually black, and a "Real" American black at that, not a half Kenyan, culturally white dude.
“Obama’s long form Certificate of Live Birth will confirm in a nanosecond whether he was born in Hawaii, or not. That is, if we ever get to see it.
His maternal grandparents lived in Hawaii. I’m assuming that Obama’s parents residence was also in Hawaii. Couldn’t they have placed a birth announcement without him actually being born in Hawaii? I mean, his sister has a COLB, but she was born in Indonesia.
No they released a Certification of Live Birth, which is an extract of the information contained in the state's database. It is not a copy of an original document.
But it would necessarily have to have been altered if BO was not born in Hawaii, because it shows he was. There have been several analysis indicating that the image released had been digitally manipulated, and was likely not his Certification of Live Birth at all. Plus there is anecdotal evidence, indicating that he was born in Kenya.
The lawsuits are mostly not asking that the election be overturned, not directly, but rather that he provide a certified copy of the Certificate of Birth, which is the original source document, to verify his eligibility.
That's right, he just refused to provide the court with a certified copy, and his lawyers argued "standing" to avoid an order for him to do so.
His grandparents, and his mother, lived in Hawaii, they could have easily supplied the paper with the birth announcement. Notice that neither announcement says where he was born. I don't know about in PA, or HI, but in 1961, and later, my home town newspaper had the births organized by hospital. If there was a separate birth not in a hospital in town, say one put in by the parents for relatives and/or friend in the area, including grandparents, it would still say where the birth occurred. Apparently that was not the practice in 1961 Hawaii.
Actually I think the court would require a certified copy, with the raised state seal, of it would be required. The web image would not suffice.
Probably, but maybe not, if the theory that he gave up his citizenship at some point is being tested. The CLB only reflects the current information, and the past information might be required in that case. But if the case hinges on "born in Hawaii" alone, then then a certified copy, provided directly to the court, of the CLB would suffice.
Just in case he was not natral born, keep track of who shills for him anyway, they may be deemed to having admited they are forever unqualified to hold any position which requires an oath to support and defend the constitution.
Hawaiian statute please.
Several knowledgeable posters on this thread have commented upon the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth, and a Certification of Live Birth, the former having the exact location of birth, name of hospital, attending physician's name and signature, etc.
The former is also known as the "long form". This is what is under seal in the state of Hawaii, and is the document that Obama et al are fighting to keep sealed.
The sworn affadivits of the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and the State Health Department’s Registrar of Vital Records that the long form certificate exists and is on file will probably be all that any court will require, along with the Certification of Live Birth (short form)
I highly doubt that. Any court which is ruling on this case will have to see the actual evidence for Obama's claim to "natural born citizen" status. Affidavits from the aforementioned state officials only state that they have seen it, not that it confirms Obama's citizenship status.
Between 1959 and 1972 there were two types of Hawaiian birth certificates.
The usual type contained the name of the hospital where the birth occurred and was signed by the doctor assisting with the delivery. But because many Hawaiians before statehood had not even had birth certificates, the state allowed a different type of certificate to be created on the testimony of one person.
The "certified copy" of birth certificate presented by Obama so far (and which is apparently the only type of copy that is normally issued now) does not show which of these two types of original birth certificates is in the Hawaiian archives.
If Obama did in fact have one of the types of original birth certificates that did not record a hospital birth, that would raise a lot of questions.
However, I do not believe that the modern certificate presented by the Obama campaign is a "manipulated image", other than the blacking out of the serial number and the fact that it was run through a scanner.
I - and the vast majority of us here - don't want any credit. We just want Obama to prove that he is eligible to be our president.
I’m sorry? Do you mean conservatives? I don’t think that believing this is a litmus test for FR membership or conservative ideology . . .
But the certificate issued was certified, complete with stamp. The long form is not released, even for passport applications, etc. The shorter form is the standard proof of birth in Hawaii.
I just think that no matter what the evidence, no matter what the proof, some will insist that Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be president. Maybe not you, but some.
If Obama's birth record revealed that Malcolm X was his father, then that would be a thousand times more damaging to Obama than if he was born in Kenya.
The majority of people who voted for him, would have still voted for hihm, even if he had benn born on Mars.
But, to be the son of Malcolm X would be like the string that you pull on and the entire fabric comes apart.
Freerepublic has officially jumped the shark.
Malcom X?
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