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To: jamese777
However the laws of the state of Hawaii make no legal distinction between the long form and the short form in proving birth place.

Hawaiian statute please.

Several knowledgeable posters on this thread have commented upon the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth, and a Certification of Live Birth, the former having the exact location of birth, name of hospital, attending physician's name and signature, etc.

The former is also known as the "long form". This is what is under seal in the state of Hawaii, and is the document that Obama et al are fighting to keep sealed.

The sworn affadivits of the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and the State Health Department’s Registrar of Vital Records that the long form certificate exists and is on file will probably be all that any court will require, along with the Certification of Live Birth (short form)

I highly doubt that. Any court which is ruling on this case will have to see the actual evidence for Obama's claim to "natural born citizen" status. Affidavits from the aforementioned state officials only state that they have seen it, not that it confirms Obama's citizenship status.

694 posted on 11/15/2008 1:07:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

From the judge’s decision in the Virginia Writ of Mandamus request case challenging Obama’s eligibiliy to be president: The most relevant passage: “The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen.

The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the COLB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the COLB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.”
http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/archives/218


728 posted on 11/15/2008 2:19:53 PM PST by jamese777
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