Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
The press can track down an 80 year old Brazillian that had a brief romance with a young John McCain but can’t find anyone that knew Obama. Simarly, the press had no interest in Obama’s 1981 trip to Pakistan. I believe, at that time, non-Muslims and Americans were prohibited from entry. It was thought that he may have used an Indonesian passport to gain entry. You’d think that someone would have slipped up and referenced dual citizenship as one of the reasons that Obama was so worldly and smart!
For that matter most of them don't have to vote for anyone, even the ones bound by statute, would never be held accountable, or the penalty is so minute as to not matter.
I am not one who really cares about the motivation of a disputant with me. If I cannot address ANY question then that is a failing with me. And it I do and it is ignored or stupidly addressed then others can see that as well as I.
Some of the points made have been useful to me if no one else at this point.
Okay so SCOTUS won’t rule to have the country descend into anarchy. Will the State of Hawaii refuse to relase the original long form 1961 birth certificate when it is requested for the formation of the Presidential Library? IMO the Department of Health in Hawaii is simply delaying the inevitable with their refusal to release the document! What will the citizens of the United States say at that time if the long form birth certificate reveals that Jr was in actual fact not born in the United States, especially if he is sworn in as the 44th President and has a disastorous administration? How angry do you think citizens will be then? Just think of the Constitutional Crisis which would occur then!
Looking forward to hearing the opinions rendered by the SC and also the SC of California. Until then, I guess it is a wait and see period we are in. Thanks for all the info you provide. My letters to all the Justices went out in today's mail. :)
I recognize that in you, unfortunately your message is designed to kill opinion, sort of kill them with kindness, I guess.
Not trying to be insulting here, just stating my opinion, with a smile.<(•¿•)>
There is a SCOTUS decision that states a U.S. citizen under the age of majority CANNOT lose citizenship by ANYONE ELSE’S actions - such as his mother giving up her citizenship ...
A citizen above the age of majority CAN ONLY lose citizenship via an act of affirmation.
So, the questions come down to ... was Obama a natural born citizen, is the SCOTUS ruling retroactive to Obama’s birth, and DID he EVER renounce citizenship via affirmation?
If it were about money Hollywood would be producing movies showing the heroic efforts to fulfill a heroic endeavor rather than the formulaic anti-war crap it excretes in bomb after bomb.
We would not see a media disemboweling itself by ideological bias if it were about money nor ludicrous operations like MSNBC with ratings so low going into the toilet would be a step up.
It is strictly ideological brainwashing. And is why the media cannot be trusted in the slightest. Unless it is destroyed we are in grave danger.
This lawsuit is said to have eyewitnesses. Is this true? If so, they may need to place them under protective custody.
I took this to mean the those witnesses mentioned in Keye’s case in California with the Independent party referred to the missionairies from Kenya that witnessed a scene at the airport of an upset Ann Obama unable to return to Hawaii.
Several months ago it was reported that witnesses had come forward and stated they recalled boarding a flight that year from Kenya when a very pregnant young white woman was distraught because she was not allowed to board in her advanced condition.
Those with ties to the International missions fields began circulating inquiries.
Then, shortly therafter PC (USA), reported the deaths of our two of our own this summer in the field in Nairobi. They were long retired from field-work, but were returning for a visit to Kenya. Both were brutally murdered upon their arrival in Kenya.
Some of us had speculated that these two deaths were directly related to this BC issue and that is why they were murdered. Those looking have not followed up on the outcome of the murder investigations because of the idea that those leads were gone for good.
It is possible that their statements were documented prior to their deaths.
Or perhaps their statements joggled the memories of others that were also with the missions returning stateside from Kenya.
Christian missionairies are murdered from time to time in Kenya, I just found it odd due to the location of Nairobi and the timing to USA/Kenya issue.
Does anyone have information regarding the current witnesses.
Are they American, British or Kenyan?
Absolutely, go for it! As long as posts stick to facts and not personal attacks, I enjoy seeing what everyone thinks. Why in the world would you think I don’t? I just think it’s silly to tell someone they should lock themself in the cellar because they disagree. (I know it was not you.) Do you really think that’s intelligent discourse?
1800 posts and counting, and you have made nothing clear, it is your job to bring everything negative about Obama into question. If you are being paid, someone is getting their moneys worth.
“Qualifications are verified when the EV are received by Congress in joint session as per the Constitution.”
The qualifications of ELECTORS are certified and members of the House and the Senate can raise objections to them.
You are saying that that the Clerk of the Senate verifies age, citizenship, etc. after the electoral votes are counted.
I have searched United States Code Title III, Chapter I: Presidential Elections And Vacancies - there is NO provision for the Senate Clerk (OR ANYONE, FOR THAT MATTER to do ANY such thing.
Is there anyone asserting that O renounced his us citizenship? I haven’t found it, but it certainly could be out there.
Please view the context. I was referring to my friends. Neither of them are hiding anything about his birth. I’m not referring to anyone else.
There’s an old legal aphorism:
If the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
If the law is on your side, pound the law.
If neither the facts or law are on your side, pound the table.
“Otherwise ... GO POUND SAND !!!” LOL !!!
Thanks, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, she is well organized.
The trip to Pakistan is a real avenue to look at.
There is some doubt whether O ever had Indonesian citizenship. I understand it was noted on his school app. but Indonesian law made it difficult more those not born of an Indonesian mother to claim citizenship. They did not recognize dual citizenship. The law has just recently changed, in 06 I think.
Our Founders abhorred the idea of political parties (factions was their name for them) and considered them one of the gravest dangers to the Republic. They also realized from close reading of the classics of Greece and Rome that democracy was not reliable and chose a representative republic.
There is nothing in the Constitution which supports political parties or gives them any preferential standing in the political process.
The Founders’ intentions wrt factions and democracy only lasted through the first Washington administration then Hamilton’s successful financial program drove Madison and Jefferson into setting up the forerunner of the Democrat party, the Democrat-Republican. It was established to thwart Hamilton and its adherents eventually drove him from politics and killed him.
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