Posted on 08/05/2008 7:20:42 AM PDT by pissant
Independent analysts, working separately, have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
Examining the high resolution image originally posted by the "Daily Kos" left-wing blog and subsequently claimed as authentic by the campaign, and posted in lower resolution on the campaign official "Fight the Smears" website, at least two analysts have been able to independently discern the name "Maya Kassandra Soetoro" from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document. Additional confirmatory information, such as her birthday and the nationality of her father have also been resurrected. A full report documenting all details is to be published in the coming days.
The dramatic development comes just a day after a forensic specialist, posting on the Texas Darling blog under the name Techdude (his real name is known to Israel Insider), announced the discovery of the identity of the original owner of the COLB document used in the forgery but would initially only indicate that it was a woman born in the 1970's. However, he provided enough clues to enable another graphic specialist (screen name KG) to independently reproduce the incriminating evidence. (Techdude had said that he wanted to give the guilty parties time to confess to the forgery, but also to allow independent confirmation of his discovery. He even offered to pay for a trip to Vegas to the first person to discover the name and detail the method by which it was discovered.)
According to Texas Darling, which exclusively published these latest revelations, there is more to come: "In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect. He will respond to questions posted on this blog to the best of his ability. (NOTE: KG has asked Techdude to donate the trip funds to help retire Hillary's debt, and Techdude has agreed.)" In the meantime, KG has posted details on how artifacts of the name "Maya Kassandra Soetero" were discerned.
The revelation that the COLB of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents a "smoking gun" that appears to implicate Senator Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama "birth certificate" -- which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features -- to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.
It appears unlikely, to say the least, that the campaign would have independently managed to obtain Maya's COLB, forged Barak's fake COLB using Maya's original, and verified the result as genuine without the candidate's knowledge and involvement. This is particularly true given the high profile treatment with which the campaign has treated the purported veracity of the supposed "birth certificate" in its Fight the Smears website. The apparent use of the Soetero document increases the likelihood of direct Obama involvement in the supply, production, and/or propagation of the forgery.
The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother -- not yet 19 at the time of his birth -- would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on "natural born citizenship" automatically.
There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book Dreams from My Father, specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists.
Intriguingly, too, Maya Soetoro-Ng is believed to have been born outside the United States, in Indonesia, so her apparent ownership of a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth raises questions about how such a document was produced for an Indonesian-born girl. That, too, may shed light on Barack Obama's citizenship status and his ability, or inability, to document it.
Ironically, but perhaps not coincidentally, the Obama campaign has challenged the credentials of Republican opponent John McCain, because he makes no secret of being born out of the country, in Panama. But both of McCain's parents were Americans so, unlike Obama, are by statute able to pass on natural born citizen status to their foreign-born child.
When he was in Indonesia he was listed as an Indonesian citizen in school documents there (that may simply have been a presumptive entry by a clerk). If he was a citizen of Indonesia they recognize dual citizenship, but if I understand correctly, the USA does not for anyone over age 18, they MUST choose. The US certainly does not recognize dual citizenship for elected officials! (For reasons that should be obvious!)
Could this give a whole new meaning to Cassandra’s “Box?”
“His father was not American and his mother was not old enough to have a “natural born citizen” of her own right.”
And how old does one have to be?
But were you there during Muhammad Zia’s rule? He had the coup there during that time and had declared marshall law, right?
“There is nothing preventing a natural-born American citizen who is also a citizen of another country from running for President. My kids will be dual-citizens from birth because I am a dual Canadian/American citizen, but they will be eligible to run for President.”
Ah, wrongo moosebreath. The USA does NOT recognize dual citizenship for those over age 18.
nevermind, I just read the other post...thanks for the info.
You are very welcome.
So this "Techdude" is a Hillary supporter?
I thought Techdude was one of us.
Why would he/she agree to donate to funds to help retire Hillary's debt?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/who-examines-an-application-for-the-presidency/
Read this. It is an article by a historian who is researching this.
Now he has people who claimed to have called the FEC regarding eligibility and they said there is no oversight agency unless they request campaign funds.
I may call myself, just for my own knowledge and I can say *I* know this. You know?
From the State Department website:
A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
I am a dual citizen (actually, a citizen of three countries) and am fully in compliance with US law.
You are confusing “Citizen” with “Natural Born Citizen”. Two different things when running for President.
She would have had to have lived as a citizen for at least 5 years after turning 21, unless his father was a citizen. Someone up thread posted the actual statute I think.
Something has to be amiss with his birth. Why all the deceptiveness otherwise? I’ve always wondered how his parents could legally be married here if the father was still married to another woman in Kenya. Did his father just have to return the chickens and donkeys to the wife’s family for an annulment? Afterall, he did have a child from that Kenyan marriage, and B.O’s mother was already pregnant with him when they claim to have married in the U.S. There’s just too many unanswered questions, and attempts to cover-up the truth by deceit and forgery. The fact that he got this far without having to prove he’s a legal candidate is unbelievable.
maybe it’s time for the anointed one to pull grandma back from under the bus
The problem comes in when commentators on this story, such as yourself, make completely unsubstantiated statements as though they are fact, and when asked to substantiate, crickets chirping is the loudest sound.
Provide some evidence that Pakistan only allowed Muslims, and no Americans (as you state in your post 57) to enter the country in 1981, and you gain some credibility for the rest of your comments.
“Reporters like the ones who ignored the Edwards case?”
Reporters like the ones who are ignoring the Edwards case?
There, fixed it.
Yeah, that part wasn’t written very well.
The Clintoons are waiting in the wings!
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