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Sounds to me like Cadenhead's saying AP is not backing off.
1 posted on 06/20/2008 2:39:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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"If AP’s guidelines end up like the ones they shared with me, we’re headed for a Napster-style battle on the issue of fair use…"
2 posted on 06/20/2008 2:40:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Since we post AP articles indirectly via other sources, how does that effect us ‘posters’ here on FR?


3 posted on 06/20/2008 2:41:34 PM PDT by lormand (Support your local and state Conservative representative in November (assuming you have one))
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I hope they come after me -- I can use the publicity and the traffic.

I will now be excerpting every AP article that relates to the subject matter.

The Obama File


4 posted on 06/20/2008 2:42:43 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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More from Cadenhead here:

http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/3372/ap-settles-dispute-drudge-retort


7 posted on 06/20/2008 2:44:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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I’ve actually kind of enjoyed not seeing the AP for the past few days.


9 posted on 06/20/2008 2:45:36 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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Maybe we should simply refuse to publish anything from AP, and let the places to which they syndicate this stuff know that syndication with AP means the death of their story.

If AP wants to be print media only, let it pay for it. We can live without it. Believe me, if bloggers and sites all over the world refuse to accept AP stories, the shoe will be on the other foot.


10 posted on 06/20/2008 2:46:51 PM PDT by livius
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Reference Ping


11 posted on 06/20/2008 2:46:52 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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AP headlines and ledes are probably copied verbatim a few dozen times a day at Free Republic and Democratic Underground alone.

A response to Allahpundit regarding the FR policy might be useful.

15 posted on 06/20/2008 2:51:29 PM PDT by CedarDave
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How could you even do a footnote if you can't quote a headline? How could you have a reference for a conversation about a particular article for conversation?

Also the sites Free Republic links to that feature AP material have ads. A click from a Free Republic user will generate revenue just as well as a direct access to the original site. APs' position deprives their customer of those hits AND income.

They are working against the economic interest of their customers and themselves and do not have enough knowledge of the internet to see it.

21 posted on 06/20/2008 2:58:32 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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"The post on the settlement at the Media Bloggers Association corroborates that the AP drew the line...."

Here we go again with that magic "Media Bloggers Association" that no one is a member of...

22 posted on 06/20/2008 3:03:32 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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That’s how I read it, too.

Don’t back off, Jim. There are alternate sources. You were doing AP a favor with your links to their stories. They’re just too dumb to recognize it.

As the dinosaur media dies, they should accept all the little favors they can get.

My guess is that freeperdom is such an extensive network that there are a million ways to bypass the AP.

Just last week Free Republic scooped the entire media establishment in the US when americanintokyo posted a thread about a Japanese earthquake virtually in the middle of that earthquake.


24 posted on 06/20/2008 3:09:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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Free press is not free press.

News is copyrighted?? LOL! So is air.


29 posted on 06/20/2008 3:16:58 PM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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AP Says Blogging Issue 'Settled' But No Guidelines Issued

"..In a hint that the battle with bloggers isn't over, Candenhead wrote on his blog that "we're headed for a Napster-style battle on the issue of fair use" if AP guidelines he's seen don't change.

In related news, high profile tech blogger Michael Arrington said he has sent the AP a bill for a passage of a blog post the news unit used when reporting on the issue.

A Huffington Post blogger also wrote Friday that a story she wrote about the impact of security regulations for gays was used by the AP without attribution..."

If AP continues to be hard assed the bold will land on them as Michelle Malkin wrote below.

Hey, Associated Press: You owe me at least $132,125!

35 posted on 06/20/2008 3:27:43 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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I thought AP wouldn't. Now it's our turn. I hereby pledge not to spend one penny on any newspaper who uses AP. Not the dead tree edition, not the online edition, nothing.

That's much more immediate than an advertising boycott. I'm hoping it's more effective as well. Time will tell.

36 posted on 06/20/2008 3:28:42 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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This doesn't surprise me, nor does their contention that the lede and headline contain much of their product value.

The AP is making the case that they are selling information. And, frankly, it's difficult to refute that argument.

Although IANAL, it appears that we're going through something of a rehash of INTERNATIONAL NEWS SERVICE v. ASSOCIATED PRESS , 248 U.S. 215 (1918) updated for current laws. When information is the product, not the wording, then you can't even summarize the info without infringing.

If this is the case, though, it would impede the members of AP from generating content, as they would then have to be cautious of how they gather their own information.


I think it's a shame that FR doesn't have the resources to stick up for Fair Use, but, of course, many FReepers have shot us in the foot already by trumpeting that they "get their news from FR!" If the purpose is to comment on something, then Fair Use is valid ("to use the passages for the purposes of fair and reasonable criticism"), but when it comes to getting your news...then it's not Fair Use, and the information provider should be paid or not used.

38 posted on 06/20/2008 3:37:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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Please make a prominent link from the Latest Articles page to a thread, special page, or something about the latest posting policy. Thanks in advance!


39 posted on 06/20/2008 3:40:18 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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41 posted on 06/20/2008 3:41:29 PM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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51 posted on 06/20/2008 4:01:20 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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Sounds to me like Cadenhead's saying AP is not backing off.

I have no doubt that the Ass. Press won't back off, but while it would probably be a slam-dunk to pull FR and you into court for that first violation I suspect it will likely be one of the "social" news-sites -- the ones that breathlessly hang on every publicists pronouncement of the latest dirt. And in that they may indeed have a point, after all there was and is valid reason for copyright on fiction. Once they have that case in hand, combined with the FR stipulations, the Web becomes bereft of valid discourse and political discernment.

Political speech is different. Granted, they send their people all over at some expense in order to gather the story. But the First Amendment was crafted to ensure Political Speech belongs to the People, not the one with the deepest pockets. Try getting into any House or Senate press conference. You can't -- you're not "a member of the 'Press Corps'" and your citizenship rights do not apply.

I think I remarked that we would rue the day that you were forced to knuckle under to WaPo and LaSlimes back then -- that day is now much, much, closer, and my ongoing tagline remains true.

67 posted on 06/20/2008 4:18:19 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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AP sells headline and lead-only services to customers.

So, we make up our own headlines and quote unnamed sources and make inferences, just like they do.

81 posted on 06/20/2008 4:40:12 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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