Posted on 04/23/2008 8:19:27 AM PDT by gridlock
2008 Democratic Popular Vote Popular Vote Count ............................Obama............Clinton..........Spread Popular Vote Total..........14,397,506 49.2% 13,896,368 47.5% Obama +501,138 +1.7% Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*..14,731,590 49.3% 14,120,230 47.2% Obama +611,360 +2.1% Popular Vote (w/FL).........14,973,720 48.3% 14,767,354 47.6% Obama +206,366 +0.7% Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*..15,307,804 48.4% 14,991,216 47.4% Obama +316,588 +1.0% Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**..14,973,720 47.4% 15,095,663 47.8% Clinton +121,943 +0.4%
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The important thing is that when Florida and Michigan are included, Clinton leads in the popular vote. This spread will likely increase in the coming primaries.
This sets up the argument between the popular vote and won delegates when it comes time for the Superdelegates to cast their votes. Either candidate will have a valid argument for the nomination. The notion that the nomination inevitably belongs to Obama no longer holds.
Algore, pick up on the house phone, please...............
I don’t ever want to hear the Democrats whining about the 2000 election ever again, because this whole ridiculous process they’ve adopted shows that they don’t even really believe their own B.S.
Barry and Hillary know the nomination is the most important thing in history. They need to fight for it even through the Convention in August.
It will be sweet to hear the Obama supporters say that the popular vote doesn’t matter because the process effected the way their candidate campaigned, and you can’t change the rules in the middle of the game. Maybe we should loan them some RNC press releases from December 2000 to crib from!
Has Algore dropped the weight yet? If he goes on Jenny Craig, we’ll know the Knight-of-Unspecified-Complexion-Who-Happens-To-Be-White scenario is for real.
If Hillary could figure in “buyers remorse” by the voters in, say, Wisconsin where they voted for Obama before the “clinging to God and guns etc” remarks were made her case gets stronger. Maybe some polling...
However, as we saw in 1998, it was the Senate's duty just to rule on guilt or innocence, not on "impeachable offenses." Groups sometimes exceed their charge, but in this case, I think the delegates are going to duck their responsibility and somehow say this "belongs in the courts." The delegates CANNOT be perceived as either going "against the will of the people" as determined by popular vote, nor can they be perceived as going against the black guy, who has a tiny delegate lead (by that time).
I still predict, before this is over, it will go to the courts, and Obama will try to block FL and MI citing . . .
Bush v. Gore.
At that time, we're gonna hear what a brilliant decision that was by the USSC.
Is this too funny or what?
And they call us The Stupid Party!
Sweet!
Are you pulling for algore to enter the race. Dear Lord, may it never be. Three Democrats/socialists/communists and a liberal Republican. My head spins at the “choices”. America is in deep doodoo
“It will be sweet to hear the Obama supporters say that the popular vote doesn’t matter because...”
the nominating system in the D party was created by white men and is enforced by white men.
How can a brother win?
I, for one, would ^love^ this to go to the courts. The perfect ruling would be:
“Free association applies. Rules are the responsibility of the group. This has no business being in the courts.
Your primary votes are no more federally protected than your American Idol votes!”
So basically Hillary agreeing to the Fl and MI rules has cost her the nomination (and also her terrible caucus strategy).
I think she would have won Michigan, though that is an unknowable.
That's the Clintonian view. The pledged delegates and superdelegates decide who gets the nomination, not the popular vote. Al Gore found that out in 2000. The Clintons are trying to change the rules of the game in the middle of the game.
FYI: Obama still leads in the popular vote if you exclude FL and MI. He even leads if you exclude just MI, which seems fair since he wasn't even on the ballot.
All of this Clinton propaganda is meant to sway the super delegates because Obama has won the most delegates thru the ballot box. I seriously doubt the Dem party will commit political suicide by stealing the election from the people's choice, the black guy. The fact is that Obama has been narrowing the super delegate gap for weeks. The current count is Hilllary with 256 to Obama's 228. Obama will still wind up with more than 150 pledged delegates than Hillary at the end of the primaries. Currently, after PA, Obama still holds a lead of 156 more pledged delegates.
This is completely absurd. It is based on estimates and inclusion of state races WHERE CAMPAIGNING DID NOT OCCUR.
The top line number is the only one relevant. All else is speculation. And note that the North Carolina win upcoming for Obama is going to reverse it regardless.
Clinton needs to push hard for a FL and MI redo now. Otherwise she is in for a rather bleak next 4-6 weeks.
Clinton also increases her lead in states based on total population, to date.
Clinton wins in state with a combined population of 170 million.
Obama wins in states with a combined population of 99.9 million.
Ain’t it fun playing “let’s him & her fight”?
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