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To: gridlock
This sets up the argument between the popular vote and won delegates when it comes time for the Superdelegates to cast their votes. Either candidate will have a valid argument for the nomination. The notion that the nomination inevitably belongs to Obama no longer holds.

That's the Clintonian view. The pledged delegates and superdelegates decide who gets the nomination, not the popular vote. Al Gore found that out in 2000. The Clintons are trying to change the rules of the game in the middle of the game.

FYI: Obama still leads in the popular vote if you exclude FL and MI. He even leads if you exclude just MI, which seems fair since he wasn't even on the ballot.

All of this Clinton propaganda is meant to sway the super delegates because Obama has won the most delegates thru the ballot box. I seriously doubt the Dem party will commit political suicide by stealing the election from the people's choice, the black guy. The fact is that Obama has been narrowing the super delegate gap for weeks. The current count is Hilllary with 256 to Obama's 228. Obama will still wind up with more than 150 pledged delegates than Hillary at the end of the primaries. Currently, after PA, Obama still holds a lead of 156 more pledged delegates.

15 posted on 04/23/2008 8:47:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: All

This is completely absurd. It is based on estimates and inclusion of state races WHERE CAMPAIGNING DID NOT OCCUR.

The top line number is the only one relevant. All else is speculation. And note that the North Carolina win upcoming for Obama is going to reverse it regardless.


16 posted on 04/23/2008 8:56:18 AM PDT by Owen
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To: kabar
The pledged delegates and superdelegates decide who gets the nomination, not the popular vote. Al Gore found that out in 2000.

The Superdelegates will decide this contest. Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to win without them. Mrs. Clinton needs to make an argument to the Superdelegates, and you can be sure that argument will focus on two points: 1) That she won the important states that the Democrats will have to win in the Fall and 2) That she won the popular vote.

The Superdelegates do not have to be bound by the pledged delegate totals. In fact, the pledged delegate totals are probably least persuasive argument, because everybody agrees that the method of apportioning pledged delegates is fatally flawed. The Superdelegates could make their choice based Astrology and the phases of the Moon, if that's what they want to do.

At the end of the day, it will come down to electability. Hillary Clinton is going to have much more convincing evidence of electability, when all is said and done.

22 posted on 04/23/2008 10:01:43 AM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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