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Live Replay of SCOTUS Oral Arguments in DC v. Heller (2A case)
C-SPAN ^ | March 18, 2007 | C-SPAN

Posted on 03/18/2008 9:25:56 AM PDT by NinoFan

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; dc; guns; heller; parker; scotus
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To: Abundy
>>>I didn't see RP on this thread at all...could it be that RP is actually Walter Dellenger???<<<

If is was, he'd have at least thrown in the “only rich white landowners” argument

361 posted on 03/18/2008 1:16:18 PM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: NVDave
I simply cannot foresee any way that Ginsberg and Souter see an individual right.

Did you listen to the hearing? I did - from beginning to end. Just as listening to JWright's "sermons" provides much more insight & context than just reading his words, so too was listening to the comments/questions posed by the liberal members of the court.

IMHO, based on their posture, inflection, line of questioning, etc, is that one simply cannot escape the central conclusion that the 2A is an individual right not limited to soldiering.

Where they may differ to varying degrees is the legislative ability to specifically place certain restrictions in lieu of public safety. That may well indeed bring the final vote down to 5-4, but it will 9-0 on individual right.

362 posted on 03/18/2008 1:18:46 PM PDT by semantic
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To: BCR #226
All the Roberts bashers from a couple of years ago have just been thoroughly silenced!
363 posted on 03/18/2008 1:22:15 PM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: Squantos
WTH was it Scalia where kept talking about “common use” regarding machine guns? IOW, you can't ban arms in common use but machine guns aren't in common use because they can no longer be manufactured. The government could float a supertanker through that hole.
364 posted on 03/18/2008 1:23:10 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: NinoFan

bump


366 posted on 03/18/2008 1:25:48 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

And, just how do you propose to flush them out?


367 posted on 03/18/2008 1:29:15 PM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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To: cgk

bump


368 posted on 03/18/2008 1:29:23 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: LTCJ

Agree......I listened too that on CSPAN....took the after noon off to do such and was amazed at the shit’n shineola going on in that arena.

Doom on em .........

Stay safe Sir !


369 posted on 03/18/2008 1:31:25 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: B4Ranch
It sees to me that Gura and the Justices were more than willing to throw Miller under the bus which, I'd submit, is not in the 2dA’s (or The People's) interest.
370 posted on 03/18/2008 1:32:21 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: LTCJ

Reading the transcript I just got to that part and thought the same thing myself. Kicking myself for not catching it on the broadcast.


371 posted on 03/18/2008 1:33:25 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: NinoFan; All
If you have RealPlayer, you can watch the arguments if you missed it. Open RealPlayer, click File > Open, and copy/paste this into the field:
rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/sc/sc031808_2amendment.rm
After a short delay (depending on speed of your Internet connection), it should start playing.

If you use a file download manager such as Net Transport, you can save the file (99.5 MB) to your hard drive...

372 posted on 03/18/2008 1:35:04 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: LTCJ

Completely depends on who is interpreting Miller, and what parts were overturned. Both sides use the Miller decision as ammo.


373 posted on 03/18/2008 1:35:17 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Squantos
Yep. That's what it looks like.

Lost the feed while Gura was still on.

374 posted on 03/18/2008 1:36:41 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: LTCJ
"... IOW, you can't ban arms in common use but machine guns aren't in common use because they can no longer be manufactured. The government could float a supertanker through that hole."

If Heller prevails, I think that this will be one logic test for the repeal of 922(o).

375 posted on 03/18/2008 1:39:18 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Domandred
Completely depends on who is interpreting Miller, and what parts were overturned. Both sides use the Miller decision as ammo.

Point well taken. I meant that they seemed to be willing to cave on the "militia usefulness" aspect. That was the part of Miller that actually made sense.

376 posted on 03/18/2008 1:43:22 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: The KG9 Kid
If Heller prevails, I think that this will be one logic test for the repeal of 922(o).

It's the logic point I'm worried about.

377 posted on 03/18/2008 1:44:59 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: BCR #226
1. DC lost. Lower court ruling will be upheld. 2. The decision will be broad enough to encompass Federal Laws. 3. 2nd will be incorporated. 4. I suspect that several other national statues will go down in flames within this decision.

Way, way, way too optimistic. You are aware that the ONLY issue before the court is limited to "Whether the following provisions, D.C. Code §§ 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02, violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes?". Incorporation is not at question in this case, nor is it likely that other Statutes (Such as the Machine Gun Ban) will be affected. At least learn how the Court operates before you make such bold predictions.

378 posted on 03/18/2008 1:50:39 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: AFPhys
Anybody paying attention to what President Bush actually SAID knew he would sign the CFR bill.

Interesting, I remember reading reports where Bush laid out 5 or 6 items that any CFR must, or must not, do. Of course McCain/Feingold broke every one of Bush's demands, and he signed it anyway.

The hopeful thinking at the time was that while Bush signing it was a big disappointment, the Supreme Court would throw it out.

379 posted on 03/18/2008 1:57:10 PM PDT by RJL
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To: semantic

I”ve read the transcript of lots of SCOTUS orals, including this one. Souter and Ginsberg have a habit of sounding one way, writing another. They just haven’t found the hook on which they want to hang their argument. Yet.

I could be wrong, I’m just going from experience of watching the SCOTUS. Thomas, as always, remains quiet and bases his opinion on the written briefs.

If I’m wrong and all nine justices agree that the 2nd recognizes an individual right, you’re going to see a rather large contingent of the left just have a stroke. They’ve got 40+ years of sophistry tied up in the “collective rights” argument, and to have their liberal justices agree that there is in individual right will cause heads at the NYT and other left-wing papers to just explode.


380 posted on 03/18/2008 1:58:05 PM PDT by NVDave
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