First of all Bob, it is very condensending to challenge folks who don’t want to vote for a man who has helped bilk seniors out of their life savings from his potion in the Senate of the United States.
It is even more condesending to challenge them for not wanting to vote for a man who advocated that the MIA issue be laid to rest, so trade with Hanoi could commence.
It is amazingly condescending to challenge folks for not wanting to vote for a man who was stupid enough to co-sponsor (with his own name on it, no less), the McCain/Feingold bill, a bitch slap to the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
It is incredible to me, to see anyone challenge folks for not wanting to vote for a man who wanted to reward criminality as it applies to between 25 and 35 million foreign nationals on our soil in the United States. These folks are bleeding this nation dry, and John McCain cared so little about it that he actually reasoned that changing their illegal status to a legal status would ‘FIX EVERYTHING’. The man is a complete idiot on this issue.
It got so bad that John McCain hired a former staffer to the President of Mexico to advise him on U.S./Mexican relations, and help him devise policy. This person immediately came up with what he called “a Mexico First” policy, and when challenged on this fact, McCain actually defended the guy.
When our President was trying to face down the democrats over judicial appointments, John McCain short-circuited the effort by joining with the gang of fourteen. This adversely affected appointments to the ranks of federal judges across this nation.
This doesn’t even touch on the fact that for the last decade John McCain practically lived on the sets of Sunday morning talking head shows short-circuiting every Republican initiative he possibly could. from the postition that he knew better than anyone on every single issue. He was the poster boy “conservative” on those shows, insulting us anew with each embarassing performance.
Today John delivers speeches that are riddled with liberal buzzwords. For instance, his big policy speech from April 2007 on his energy goals wavered into liberal territory nine times addressing 24 catch phrase words or terms on 28 separate instances. Terms like carbon capture, carbon trades, greenhouse gases, global warming... these are the terms of John McCain, not Barak Obama. McCain essentially buys off on the Kyoto Protocals and wants to implement as much of it as he can, while smart enough not to do it officially (at least I think).
Despite all this, you can’t see any other reason why some of us would refuse to back McCain and ask others to do so, other than that it’s an ego trip for us, we need to have others join us to help buttress our fragile mental faculties or some other equally insulting nonsense.
What do you call folks who recognize the character of those who help defraud Seniors, and trash them for it? Mentally unstable? Insecure? In need of an attitude adjustment?
What do you call folks who recognize the character of those who pass laws that infringe on our Constitutional Amendments, and trash them for it? Irrational? Unreasonable? Sanctamoneous?
What do you call folks who recognize the character of those who advocated for the MIA issue being laid to rest, and trash them for it? UnAmerican? Anti-Military? Myopic?
I could go right down the line on these issues and you would agree with me in every instance that people are not wrong to oppose any of the things John McCain has done that I just listed. And then you’d turn right around and tell me that it’s just wrong not to vote for him.
Bob, you can reread your post and look at those comments you made about folks who will not support John. And after you have, realize they do not apply to them. They apply to you to the power of ten.
You folks are incredibly irrational on this matter.
When confronted on the issue of who will advocate for conservatism if John is president you folks don’t have an answer. When John reaches out to the democrats they won’t oppose him. Enough in his own party won’t opposed him to block his desires. And then there’s John himself. He and the Republican party leadership will be trashing conservatives in the exact same manner you have here. “You folks are fringe wing-nuts.” It is appauling that any person who calls themself a conservative could decide that being a part of this would be a great day for conservatism. And that being the case, how in the sam hell could it be a good day for the nation we supposedly love.
We have come to the place where we can watch a man disect Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, and then advocate for him to be President. And then turn our backs on loyal nation loving citizens who dispise what the man stands for, and insult them to their faces.
Tell me Bob, if running against a democrat for the office of the president, what single thing could a person do that John McCain hasn’t done, for you to be unable to vote for them? Haven’t you become the exact model of a Clinton supporter, only from the almighty (R) side of the isle? And then you come here to denigrate us.
There is a sickness in the land...
For four years under a John McCain presidency, the democrats will slander conservatives at will, even saying that they won’t even agree with one of their own, when John pulls what he will. During that time many Republicans will do the same thing, advocating for John. The Republican Party will trash them. John McCain will trash them. The media will trash them.
Sounds like an eventuality I can’t help to put in place. I oppose this scenario with every fiber of my being.
I will not be a part of surrendering to the leftist love fest that is certain to follow a McCain victory.
I would rather have an enemy to focus on and oppose, than an enemy that many of my team want to serve. I will not become a Clinton groupie!
If this turns into a place where “McCain, Day in Pictures” thread are fequent, “Pray for McCain” threads vs “Pray for our Nation” threads... it will have proven my point.
If John McCain wins the Presidency, it will be the end of movement conservatism, and the dawn of the age of the theory of conservatism, for it will not longer be an operating ideology in practice here in the homeland.
Wow, Doughty, nice work!
“When confronted on the issue of who will advocate for conservatism if John is president you folks don’t have an answer. When John reaches out to the democrats they won’t oppose him. Enough in his own party won’t opposed him to block his desires. And then there’s John himself. He and the Republican party leadership will be trashing conservatives in the exact same manner you have here. “You folks are fringe wing-nuts.” It is appauling that any person who calls themself a conservative could decide that being a part of this would be a great day for conservatism. And that being the case, how in the sam hell could it be a good day for the nation we supposedly love.
We have come to the place where we can watch a man disect Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, and then advocate for him to be President. And then turn our backs on loyal nation loving citizens who dispise what the man stands for, and insult them to their faces.”
Well stated, Doughty One. Thank you.
Damn, that POST was so good I thought Jim was the writer, thanks, hat's off!!!!!
Excellent post!
SPOT ON! Well said!!
Ping to #273!
I must concur. Best post on the issue I have seen on FR.
Just simply an amazing post.
Excellent post.
McCain is a skunk...but I think at least he will kill terrorists. Obamasamalamadingdong and Hitliary will kiss their feet. I only have one vote to give. This country may be doomed regardless of who is elected unless we get Congross under Conservative control.
We The People deserve better choices for President than we got . The MEDIA SELECTED McCain for us...Duncan and Fred, they coulda been contenders!
You really did nail it in post #273. I can’t imagine a more thorough or cogent explanation for conservative opposition to McCain. The list of examples could go on a lot longer but that would only be belaboring the point.
Excellent, D1. Just EXCELLENT!
It may be your best yet. :-)
Thank you.
Bravo!!
I have saved a link to this thread to save your thoughts on McCain for the future. Thank you, good job.
Absolutely brilliant! Completely without flaw- Kudos, my FRiend.
re: #273
Thank you for a very thoughtful post.
Bump
DoughtyOne,
I totally respect your opinion and your case is well stated. Normally we are on the same side of an issue, but I have to differ with you here.
How about some conjecture on an 8 year Obama presidency;
* China, Russia, Iran, Syria, and al queda are emboldened by our weak approach to defense of national interests.
* China takes over Taiwan, escalates subversive actions against Japan, has easier access to increase espionage against USA.
* Russia makes aggressive moves to re-capture Eastern Europe satellites, also extends military presence southward toward Iraq.
* Iran escalates attacks against US interests via surrogates and against NATO troops in Afghanistan.
* ...on and on...
And where are conservatives? Continued internal bickering about who is most like Reagan, who is the real future of conservatism, who is to blame for allowing Obama to be elected.
Do we really allow others to define conservatives?
Why can't we rebuild conservative influence from the ground up while McCain is President? At least the odds of our long term survival are better so we have a movement and a country to rebuild.
Many will say, 'the country has survived bad Dems before and can survive again'. Most likely, true enough. But not guaranteed. I like the odds better with McCain as President than with Obama as President for 8 years.
Another option is to work hard for a true conservative party candidate to run as a 3rd party. Considering the Dems are poised to be split apart, this may be a unique time in history and could allow us to truly pit liberalism versus conservatism on the national ballot under their true names. This can not be done under the current and historic baggage of "D" and "R".
If you and others work hard in a committed fashion to nominate and elect a different option for President, I totally respect that and as previously mentioned, believe we may have a moment in time here where we can 'blow up' both parties and create future face-offs of 'official' liberals versus 'official' conservatives.
For those who choose to sit on the sidelines, you certainly have that right, but just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
NewLand