A Question for FR McCain Detractors

Ever since Super Tuesday a super debate has been raging on FR concerning John McCain. I was never a McCain supporter, in fact I penned the post Super Tuesday post "Official FR Drinking Thread" so we could together drown our common disappointments into oblivion.

FReepers seem to be moving into three distinct groups. The first are those that have always supported McCain, a lot or partially. There are those that don't like McCain but are willing to support him because they believe they will get some of what they want or to defeat what the see as the more critical danger, Obama or Clinton. The there's the third group, those that viscerally dislike McCain and vow never to vote for him for any reason.

The actions and motivation for support from the first two groups seem obvious...they would rather see McCain in the White House than a dem. But for the life of me I cannot understand some of the actions of the third.

I understand you dislike McCain and the reasons why. He is far too liberal on many issues, he has stabbed conservatives in the back several times and he is too cozy with the dems. These are all defensible reasons to not vote for him or to vote third party and you have every right to vote as you see fit and for whatever reasons you hold. What I don't understand is why some here are making such concerted efforts to dissuade others from voting for or supporting him.

As flawed as McCain is there is no way a logical case can be made that we would be better off under Obama or Hillary (O&H). Even on most issues where McCain is closer to the left than to us, O&H are much farther to the left than he is and would do much more damage than McCain. On the issues where he is not, the WOT, taxes, abortion, etc., the differences are stark and this does not even take into count extended issues like judicial appointments.

So why are you working so hard, so viscerlly, so nasty, to turn votes against McCain? If you truly feel as you do than go sit out November or cast your vote for your 3rd party candidate. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why you push for a McCain and GOP loss.

It may be as simple as "misery loves company". It may be that you validate your own position by getting others to believe as you do. It may be that there are some dem propaganda plants on FR. I don't know but I sure would like to and I know others do as well.

Israel, on the other hand...

Needs to take care of themselves.

My concern is making sure American kids don't have to grow up learning Spanish so they can understand their Hispanic boss who got the job because he is bilingual in that minimum wager they are likely to have to hope for thanks to the likes of McCain and other North American Government dreamers.

And like it or not I have every right not to vote for a man I think will be bad for the Country.

I'm pretty sure I kinda read that in the Constitution somewhere.

The real problem you have is not so much that there are so many Conservatives here that won't vote for Juan the problem is you haven't stopped long enough to realize:

#1 - there are a ton of good reasons why.

#2 - it points out the best reason why he shouldn't have run or been the nominee to start with.

You like to whistle past the graveyard and say Juan will win in a romp without us stupid far right conservatives. Uh....

Then why are you fighting it so hard. No worries, right mate?! You don't need us anyway. Sleep well tonight with my fondest regards.

You forgot the 4th group, of which I am a member.

I don't hate McCain. In fact, I don't even dislike him.

What I do hate, is the direction our Country has gone, and the position we now find ourselves in.

Let me explain. I believe we have wound up, basically, a two party system because the majority of our Country is comfortable in the middle. It's not a scary place to be.

Neither the left, nor the right feels overly threatened in the middle. So we wind up with a tug o' war contest. The libs pull us to the left, and the Cons pull us to the right. Hopefully, we wind up in that comfort zone called the middle. Otherwise, we have F.U.D. Which, BTW, is where we are now, and have been since around 1989 or 90. And it continues to grow with each passing day.

We have been out pulled by the libs, no doubt. In fact, our own side has helped them. And they continue to help them. John McCain is one that helps them. I see him as a good man, an honest man, and a true patriot. But, he is in fact, a RINO. And, right now we don't need, can't afford, to be taken not even one more millimeter to the left.

I really don't have a major problem with RINOS, they do have their place in the grand scheme of things. I don't think of them as evil, or anti Conservatism. I just diasagree with them in some ways. Even RR recognized and accepted the "big tent" theory. With caveats. He was referring to Conservative democrats, not republicans.

I submit this as evidence to that...

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan, 1975

"I don't know about you, but I'm impatient with those Republicans who, after the last election, rushed into print saying we must broaden the base of our party, when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents." Ronald Reagan, 1975

"Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency – and don't, for heaven's sake, having seen the inner workings of the watch – don't get cynical." Ronald Reagan, 1976

Ronald Reagan, a former Democrat, pulled hard right for Conservativism. He brought us back to the center. We were, nearly, in perfect balance with ourselves, once again.

Now, after having had not one, but two RINOS, and only one lib as POTUS, we are firmly back in liberal terrority. As we can see, electing another RINO does NOTHING for our beliefs, or our Country.

If we must sink further into the abyss of liberalism, let it be a liberal who takes us there, not a so called Conservative. Let not the fundamental beliefs of Conservatism be further sullied by one of our own.

Please, do not give in the to the F.U.D. the left and the media has inundated us with over the years. Do not allow the middle to be re-defined as half way between the center and the left.

I honestly believe that a mass non POTUS vote from the "R" ballots will send a loud, resounding, powerful message to the GOP. (and the DNC, as well) A message that says..."You can take ~~this job~~ your selectee and shove it!"

If you are worried about SCOTUS appointees, the way to stop libs there, is through the Senate. Sending the GOP a message now, will have a frightening effect on our Senators, so work hard to get real Conservatives elected, and keeping the good we already have.

We pushed them back on the shAmnesty bill, we can shove them back on POTUS confirmations, too.

You've got to know, and believe, that a dem administration is doomed to failure, at this point, and that will only help our cause. Support from the Conservative dem Senators, the dissaffected citizens, some of the media, and even outright defections will occur.

Please, stay true to our common Conservative beliefs, don't give in to the fear, and remain steadfast for our future.

Issue at large is this :

Should conservatives stand by their principles and make it known that McCain is not a conservative?...stay home?...vote 3rd party? and regroup 4 years from now when the party can, perhaps offer a better candidate?..the huge drawback is an obama or hillary presidency during that time, and 4 yrs of presidency can do a lot of damage ala Carter. The GOP should focus on the House and Senate races during the midterms.

Do conservatives support McCain and watch the party further fall to shambles giving Democrats like Obama and Hillary free reign over the country for the next decade or so? With McCain, at the helm, the party will move towards a "democrat lite" platform. Given the people he is already hiring for his youth campaign, it is obvious he is remaining in rino mode on social issues, and is not budging. That being said, there will be no gop to come in and clean up the crap that the democrats free reign on the country for 20 years or will do damage over.

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