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Are You Willing To Compromise & Surrender What Our Founding Fathers Set Forth For This Republic?
me | February 3, 2003 | callisto

Posted on 02/03/2008 6:34:57 AM PST by callisto

Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them.
- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of the Causes and Necessities of Taking up Arms, July 6, 1775
Many of us were hoping for a truly Conservative candidate to be our nominee, but Hunter, Tancredo and Thompson made their exits and those who remain are less than substandard by comparison. Some of us are willing to support whomever the Republican nominee may be. I was recently asked if I was willing to compromise my Conservative values and principles to support the nomination of a less than worthy candidate in order to defeat what I think may be the worse destruction leveled on this great nation: the election of Clinton or Obama to the Presidency.

Initially, I understood the question posed but I failed to see the truth behind the question. Fortunately, DoughtyOne, posted a thread asking just how willing we are to compromise those values with a great analogy as to the ramifications of such a compromise. I won’t restate DO’s words as he said them so well himself, but the meaning behind those words have reverberated in my mind since and left me asking myself, “How many of us realize the compromises we are about to make this coming Tuesday?” The more I read and posted on threads this week, the more I realized that many of us are willing to make that compromise without regard to the intent and principles of our Founding Fathers when they created this great nation in which we are fortunate to live.

Our Founding Fathers were eloquent spokesmen on the founding principles of self-government who believed in Liberty, Freedom, Justice and Equality. They believed that Wisdom, Knowledge and Virtue were necessary for the preservation of those rights and liberties. With a stirring language, that reaches the depths of one’s soul, they wrote one of the greatest documents in history which changed the face of this world forever. When they undertook to sign their names to the document they risked their own pursuit of life and happiness to grant us the ability to know and live under the principles they valued most. To denounce the king’s authority was an act of treason, punishable by death, yet 56 determined men picked up quill and ink to sign the Declaration of Independence risking their lives, fortunes, family and all that they held dear.

So I ask each of you, are you willing to give up all that these men gave for so little in return? Because if we refuse to stand up for what is right and principled when given the choice, we will deserve what we receive for accepting what has been handed to us. To many of you I am preaching to the choir, but to others I hope you will read this post and consider the principles on which our nation was founded, and the effects of relinquishing those tenets. Before you go to the polls on Tuesday, consider exactly what is at stake when you cast your vote.

In the words of Samuel Adams, 1781:
Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual - or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.


TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; foundingfathers; stophillary
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To: TLI

Put those stats beside the Beastess’s or the Muslim’s and get back to me.

I already have.

I rest my case and request a summary judgement.


41 posted on 02/03/2008 7:20:33 AM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: callisto

Because Romney is now the frontrunner for ‘12 or ‘16.


42 posted on 02/03/2008 7:21:35 AM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: callisto

Because he is a liar!


43 posted on 02/03/2008 7:22:29 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Was Thompson/Hunter 08....now it's....Just Shoot Me)
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To: DogandPonyShow

You rest your case??? You have done nothing but throw insults and call everyone an enemy! THAT is your case??? hahahahaha. You know what, keep “talking”, I think your helping our stand AGAINST mclame.


44 posted on 02/03/2008 7:24:39 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Was Thompson/Hunter 08....now it's....Just Shoot Me)
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To: callisto
My first, and hopefully only, vanity.

**********

Well said.... IMHO....
Screed on!

45 posted on 02/03/2008 7:25:53 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: NoGrayZone

your = you’re


46 posted on 02/03/2008 7:26:10 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Was Thompson/Hunter 08....now it's....Just Shoot Me)
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To: CindyDawg
I have been thinking about it. A lot. I’ve even been thinking about “picking up the pen” for none of the above or writing in the name of someone else.

And that, my FRiend, is your choice and I respect you for voicing it in any manner you deem. A lot of FReepers seem to have forgotten the reason they are able to make their individual choice at the voting booths is because so many have fought and died to preserve liberty and freedom for all citizens of this great nation! I wish you only the best in making a very tough decision this year. One we all will have to make and accept the reality of those choices when all is said and done.
47 posted on 02/03/2008 7:26:19 AM PST by callisto
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To: callisto

Now that Hunter, Tancredo and Thompson are out, I’ve gladly thrown my support to Ron Paul, by far the most Constitutionally faithful man in the race.


48 posted on 02/03/2008 7:30:24 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I voted for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: DogandPonyShow

McCain is a already a liberal!

I vote conservative. Obviously, you don’t.


49 posted on 02/03/2008 7:35:02 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
one would have to conclude that those individuals never had any conservative principles, have confused the GOP with conservatism as if they are equal...

So true! I recently had to remind several friends that the two (GOP and Conservatism) are not one and the same. The Republican Party has just been lucky Conservatives were GOP members, IMO (until this last decade or so -'92 to '94).
50 posted on 02/03/2008 7:37:58 AM PST by callisto
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To: callisto

Romney isn’t leading in CA. It will be a pragmatist vote here. Most people already assume they’re supposed to vote for McCain.


51 posted on 02/03/2008 7:40:53 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (I'd rather win with McCain than lose with Romney)
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To: DogandPonyShow
I am so sick of hearing the 'if we don't support the GOP nominee' rhetoric! We are in the position we are now because the GOP settled for someone who's allegedly electable, but only because he's more liberal than what a GOP candidate should be. Supporting McCain now will only reinforce what the fools running the party now believe- that in order to beat the Democrats, the Republicans must become more liberal.

And that is out and out bullsh!t. You do NOT advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. It never works. Rest assured, the GOP will never recover from this annoitment of McCain. Never.

Conservatives didn't choose McCain. He was chosen by the MSM, the RNC, the GOP good old boys, and the RINOs who support them. And yes, damn it, there's a great many freepers who are enablers to this pathetic line of reasoning.

So all of you out there, that fall into the categories above, go ahead, hold your nose and vote for McCain. I will proudly write in a candidate. But I will never, EVER, vote for McCain (or Huckabee).

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

And I'm tired of falling for the same old sob story. Hillary or McCain in the White House won't be the fault of those of us who held onto principle over pomp, substance over style... It will be YOUR fault.

52 posted on 02/03/2008 7:40:55 AM PST by rintense (You don't advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. Piss off McCain and Huck!)
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To: DogandPonyShow
The primary is almost over and it is time to rally around ONE person. That person will be McCain, for better or worse. Democrats are the enemy, NOT MCCAIN!

You're still under the impression McCain is a Republican?

53 posted on 02/03/2008 7:45:49 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: ovrtaxt

As NUTSO as it sounds, I am leaning towards Paul.

I cannot support any of the other candidates left in the race.


54 posted on 02/03/2008 7:46:00 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: NoGrayZone

I don’t think Mr. D&G is a serious debater. I don’t want to call him a troll, but I’ve read his posts on a couple of the threads this morning. He has yet to post anything substantive. It’s been all bombastic comments. I think he’s mostly about getting people riled up. Don’t fall for it.


55 posted on 02/03/2008 7:46:23 AM PST by live+let_live
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To: DogandPonyShow
NOT MCCAIN!

The enemy is anyone who's willing to trash the Constitution for political gain.

That makes McCain a no crap Top Five Enemy.

L

56 posted on 02/03/2008 7:46:36 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: caver
The primaries are not almost over. I live in Indiana and we don’t have the primary till May. Frankly, I’m offended that all the other idiots around the country have left us with a fool like McCain. He’s your candidate, you vote for him. I will not vote for him.

I know here in Penna, we are in the same boat as you, we have a late primary that doesn't mean squat outside of local races. I feel dienfranchised myself. I just can't vote for McCain, just can't, but I don't want Hillary either, my rule, no more Clintons. Obama is just out of nowhere, I wonder if he is an Anti-Christ.

Letting Hillary have it, well maybe it's the kick we need but will it work? McCain, can we survive four years of him, he's Hillary except he supports the Iraq war. What to do?

I feel like Robbie the Robot when Dr. Morphius ordered him to shoot Leslie Neilsen in "Forbidden Planet" where his internal programming was conflicting so much, he was frying his circuits. I just hope Romney does a good showing on Super Tuesday, it is our only hope short of space aliens kidnapping McCain. B-) B-P Romney ain't perfect either but he's a sight better.
57 posted on 02/03/2008 7:47:51 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Goofus hits the computer's power button to turn it off, Gallant shuts down properly)
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To: live+let_live

D&G = D&PS


58 posted on 02/03/2008 7:48:08 AM PST by live+let_live
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To: DogandPonyShow
Once McCain is the de facto nominee anyone who does not support him or attacks him is an enemy of America.

The enemy of America are those that are ok with 20 million new illegals here in the next 5 years. Wait a minute...that would be your candidate.

59 posted on 02/03/2008 7:48:09 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I saw a thread posted this morning and assumed the information to be accurate. Thanks for the heads up. the article is bylined from Reuters (MSM, you know). I'm surprised it wasn't leading with the 'McCain has overwhelming support and wins the race' line. Your correction is appreciated!
60 posted on 02/03/2008 7:48:29 AM PST by callisto
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