Are You Willing To Compromise & Surrender What Our Founding Fathers Set Forth For This Republic?

me | February 3, 2003 | callisto

[callisto]

Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them.
- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of the Causes and Necessities of Taking up Arms, July 6, 1775

Many of us were hoping for a truly Conservative candidate to be our nominee, but Hunter, Tancredo and Thompson made their exits and those who remain are less than substandard by comparison. Some of us are willing to support whomever the Republican nominee may be. I was recently asked if I was willing to compromise my Conservative values and principles to support the nomination of a less than worthy candidate in order to defeat what I think may be the worse destruction leveled on this great nation: the election of Clinton or Obama to the Presidency.

Initially, I understood the question posed but I failed to see the truth behind the question. Fortunately, DoughtyOne, posted a thread asking just how willing we are to compromise those values with a great analogy as to the ramifications of such a compromise. I won’t restate DO’s words as he said them so well himself, but the meaning behind those words have reverberated in my mind since and left me asking myself, “How many of us realize the compromises we are about to make this coming Tuesday?” The more I read and posted on threads this week, the more I realized that many of us are willing to make that compromise without regard to the intent and principles of our Founding Fathers when they created this great nation in which we are fortunate to live.

Our Founding Fathers were eloquent spokesmen on the founding principles of self-government who believed in Liberty, Freedom, Justice and Equality. They believed that Wisdom, Knowledge and Virtue were necessary for the preservation of those rights and liberties. With a stirring language, that reaches the depths of one’s soul, they wrote one of the greatest documents in history which changed the face of this world forever. When they undertook to sign their names to the document they risked their own pursuit of life and happiness to grant us the ability to know and live under the principles they valued most. To denounce the king’s authority was an act of treason, punishable by death, yet 56 determined men picked up quill and ink to sign the Declaration of Independence risking their lives, fortunes, family and all that they held dear.

So I ask each of you, are you willing to give up all that these men gave for so little in return? Because if we refuse to stand up for what is right and principled when given the choice, we will deserve what we receive for accepting what has been handed to us. To many of you I am preaching to the choir, but to others I hope you will read this post and consider the principles on which our nation was founded, and the effects of relinquishing those tenets. Before you go to the polls on Tuesday, consider exactly what is at stake when you cast your vote.

In the words of Samuel Adams, 1781:

Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual - or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.

[sam_paine]

And, if you feel my post is unworthy of this forum that is your opinion and I respect for it.

Oh, relax.

We're anonymous posters on an anonymous forum grousing about politicians being liars and cheats.

Only thing new here is that we think we've uncovered something new!

I think it's a fascinating comment on society...a realtime indicator of political sanity.

The rise in vanities (trust me, I'm not singling you/your content out)...there's been dozens of "Save the Republic" vanities lately.

Instead of commenting on the 'reality' of the MSM and public shools raising a generation of socialists that want John Mclame and Hitlery...we shout to ourselves that Ronald Reagan and John Locke are smiling down on us as we type.

And the final insult to conservatism?

We have to be -acitivists- to promote conservatism.

We need to be promiscuous to promote morality!

We need to be alcoholics to promote sobriety!

ugh. Conservatism is boxed on one side by the liars like Mccain, and the new conservatives who sell it like a new brand of soap.

[Harvey105]

Agreed.

Government has grown too large. The biggest threat to our liberty is it’s continued growth, not islamofascism. They want to do is kill us, no doubt, while our own government wants to dictate to us how we live our lives and won’t hesitate to kill us too if we raise a stink about it.

[callisto]

Agreed!

[TheThinker]

You rally with McCain if he’s clearly the candidate. The fat lady hasn’t sung, though. The Republican primary is far from over.

[sauropod]

read

[sam_paine]

That’s what we get for allowing socialists to take over education, the media and entertainment. The non-stop socialist brain-washing seems to be working.

Right on. We've been working on losing** the 2008 Presidential Election for 20 straight years, since Ronald Reagan kicked off the loss by supporting GHW Bush and the kinder-gentler 'establishment'.

"education?" As if we're going to instill conservative values in people in the next few months?

Like you convince an addict that the junk is bad for him and he just says, "Aha! You're right! What was I thinking!?!"

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** Want proof? Look how many people on FR, last bastion of hardcore conservatives....all daily claim we're "loosing" control of our schools! LOL! And if you mention it, they rip "you're" head off for it!

[supercat]

Democrats are the enemy, NOT MCCAIN!

Democrats are the enemy, ESPECIALLY MCCAIN!

[callisto]

Thank you Callisto.

No, thank you DoughtyOne! You reminded me of what heart knows to be true at a time when I had let my mind rule my heart. Actions without thought are one of the problems that has pushed our country to the precipice it is at now. I won't falter again any time soon. In the words of Thomas Jeffeson, 1st Inaugural Address, 1801:

"The essential principles of our Government... form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty and safety."

[callisto]

He’s gone.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Callisto. Again, very good thoughts...

[Loud Mime]

Good post!

I believe that once the Democrat ticket is defined we’ll see the bitching stop and the republicans unify to defeat the evil course that threatens our republic.

I’d rather have 10% of a republic than nothing.

[callisto]

I’d rather have 10% of a republic than nthing.

I'd rather have 100%! But I am willing to work to restore it. Join me?

[supercat]

I understand it may be a ‘tinfoil hat’ argument, but I see how much that woman wants power. What’s to say that she does something to make her power permanent? I’m afraid that if she gets in the White House, there may not be ‘another chance’.

It’s really quite easy: Invent a ‘crisis’, declare an emergency, declare martial law, suspend rights of assembly and free speech due to ‘security concerns’, outlaw private ownership of weapons, send out the jack-booted thugs to round up ‘dissidents’ or anyone seen as an ‘enemy of the state’, and finally suspend the Constitutional term-limits amendment ‘for the duration’.

If McCain gets elected and Hillary or Kennedy were to suggest to him that they wouldn't mind if he did what you propose (provided he was nice to them), do you think he'd decline? I think he'd be about as likely to attempt a coup; since he, unlike the Democrats, wouldn't have to worry about an opposition party, he'd be more likely to succeed.

[BlessedBeGod]

Some of us are willing to support whomever the Republican nominee may be.

I'm not happy with any of the candidates who are left. However, I refuse to let this country fall into the hands of Hillary or Obama.

[callisto]

I refuse to let this country fall into the hands of Hillary or Obama.

I share the exact same sentiment. My problem has been trying to determine what is the best path to achieve that agenda while at the same time not permitting our Conservative values and principles to be shoved further where the "wreckage of history's thrown."

[NoGrayZone]

Wooohooo, good news!!

[callisto]

I thought you'd appreciate that tidbit of knowledge!

Although it's almost a shame. McCain is on FoxNews at this moment and just stated that he has "Conservative support, moderate support and LIBERAL support"! I would have enjoyed hitting back with that quote and seeing the response.

[seemoAR]

I wonder if many Republicans would vote for Hillary if she went on TV and said she had a “road to Damascus” conversion and was now running as a Republican. I imagine many would be fooled.

[callisto]

I imagine many would be fooled.

Sadly, so.

[shove_it]

In case you’ve missed it, here’s Jim Rob’s pitch for a brokered convention complete with 900+ comments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1962819/posts?q=1&;page=1#1