BLACK-GOLD BLUES Discovery backs theory oil not 'fossil fuel'

WND ^ | February 1, 2008 | By Jerome R. Corsi

[Fred Nerks]

New evidence supports premise that Earth produces endless supply

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A study published in Science Magazine today presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a "fossil fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.

The lead scientist on the study – Giora Proskurowski of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle – says the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field were produced by the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth.

The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature, created by the deterioration of biological material deposited millions of years ago in sedimentary rock and converted to hydrocarbons under intense heat and pressure.

While organic theorists have posited that the material required to produce hydrocarbons in sedimentary rock came from dinosaurs and ancient forests, more recent argument have suggested living organisms as small as plankton may have been the origin...

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I believe there are two kinds of sulfur in coal; inherent and pyritic. We were able to remove the pyrites by first crushing and then water media separation in cyclones. The inherent sulfur couldn't be removed.
From firsthand observation of coal in bank, the pyritic sulfur looks as if it perked down to the coal bed from the shale and clays. I read somewhere that inherent sulfur was related to the brackishness of the swamp/peat bog that became the coal seam.

[gondramB]

Aha. Thank you.

[headsonpikes]

“But now there is strong evidence that at least some of those gorges were cut almost instantly by massive flash floods when glaciers holding back seas of water broke.”

You betcha. I’ve always been impressed by this place close by H’way 97:

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/chasm.html

Check out the photo gallery!

[narses]

Oil and gas deposits always (well as far as I know) have three things in common. A permeable rock like sandstone to store it, a hard rock to prevent it from escaping and a source.

The Russian oil induistry has drilled in other geological regimes and found oil, hence their belief in the abiotic theory.

[Dusty Road]

Correct!

I’ve asked many people to show me one place where oil is being recovered that wasn’t an ancient sea bed. So far it’s zip, Nada.

[gondramB]

>> Oil and gas deposits always (well as far as I know) have three things in common. A permeable rock like sandstone to store it, a hard rock to prevent it from escaping and a source.

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The Russian oil induistry has drilled in other geological regimes and found oil, hence their belief in the abiotic theory.<<

I’m not arguing, because this isn’t an area where I claim great knowledge - but I would appreciate any reference or link you had on that since it is not something I have read about.

[Kay Ludlow]

So, what happened 20 years ago that brought about this situation?

Leading edge baby boomers moved into management... As a boomer, let me say that for all their protests and demands about 'let me be free to be me' the boomers, especially from the first half, were the most lemminglike generation. They had the "uniform" of jeans and white t-shirts to be distinct from other generations, but not from each other. They moved en-masse from movement to movement, and expected others to take care of the details of life for them, to free them up for 'social consciousness'. The Generation between the Greatest Generation and the boomers, those who were too young for WWII but too old to be part of the 'boom' loved being able to lead all those young kids around, and those are who the lemmings followed.

As they've moved through life, the boomers have demanded en masse whatever was important at their stage of life: free love when they were teenagers; a childproof world when they were parents; medical insurance that covered everything when they got old enough to start having health problems, freedom from personal responsibility for business decisions when they were in charge of businesses, and now free medical everything now that they're looking at retiring and not having health insurance.

That's really where I see the hope for the future - those people in another 10 years or so will be just to old to be activists for anything. That is what you see in board rooms though - they were activists when other people were on the board and had to take responsibility for what happened, but now that they are in the board room they don't want to be held accountable for anything. They change the rules when they can to avoid personal responsibility, and where they can't they refuse to do anything they could be held responsible.

[ExpatGator]

Kinda like what happens in the pool the morning after one partakes of prodigious quantities of Swan Lagers.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I was involved in Illinois Basin coals primarily and found many of the seams had similar features. Almost all had been subject to ground shifting forces that caused seams to "roll" as much as several feet. I don't know if this is evidence of tectonics but its possible. Coals in Missouri, Iowa and central Illinois and Indiana exhibited "bands" of sulfur, steaks of fools gold, at various levels. Southern Illinois pyrites were often flat dollar coin sized deposits, without the bands. These coals also had a rather oily appearance. In one Illinois county there was an exception to this, known as the "Quality Circle." BTUs and ash fusion temperature (when burned) were higher and sulfur was much lower.
In the Powder River Basin of Wyoming, the source of 60 percent of American production, pyrite sulfur is almost unknown and inherent sulfur is quite low, less than 1/2 percent in some cases. PRB coals are "younger" beds, and are referred to as "sub-Bituminous coal. BTUs run about 8250 to 8400/lb. Midwest coals are 10,500 to 13,000 BTUs/lb.

[mad_as_he$$]

I believe it was the point when PC and lawyers started running the business world.

[mad_as_he$$]

I hear the same thing from many in the business. Is the chemical composition the same as the original oil?

[djf]

I had an interesting experience about 3 weeks ago. I was standing in line at the supermarket with a pretty full cart.

There was a fellow in a wheelchair behind me who just had a couple things, so I asked him if he wanted to go first, because the line was long.

He said no, he was in no hurry, he was just enjoying himself, and had just retired from 25 tears of work up north.

He had had an aneurysm on his aorta and they fixed it but had to take it easy.

He had been a hydraulic engineer.
In Alaska.
At Prudhoe Bay.

I talked to him long enough to know that HE KNEW what he was talking about. He said he saw samples of oil that were so pure they practically looked like Wesson corn oil.

It would amaze him if we’ve gotten even two percent of what’s up there.

According to him, it’s very rare for any exploration to go on and NOT FIND oil. It’s ALL OVER the Alaska coastline and surveys in the Arctic ocean CONSISTENTLY show VAST quantities of oil.

A very interesting chat... and I believe him!

[Edward Watson]

Well, I don’t know about that. What I DO know is petroleum is mainly comprised of five elements - CHONS - all light and easily modified (relatively speaking of course).

What this means is when mass production nanotechnology comes around in around 25 years or so, it will be quite easy to manufacture petroleum or any hydrocarbons, whether they be alkanes or even asphaltenes. Living organisms won’t be necessary in the process at all.

So, in that sense, all produced petroleum would be abiotic.

I do understand the skepticism - we in the West have always considered petroleum to be a fossil fuel. I’m merely pointing out there’s a lot we still don’t know and the presence of complex hydrocarbons and methane (which can be proven to be abiotic) in extraterrestial objects gives us tantalizing clues of the abiotic origin of at least some petroleum.

Frankly, I think this disagreement won’t subside until we actually start mining petroleum from asteroids and other bodies in the solar system - but that won’t be for awhile.

[killermosquito]

How is oil destroying our nation?

[Shanty Shaker]

Almost there but... Exxon made $40 billions in a market driven by speculators and the fear of international stability of the oil supply.

[Sudetenland]

The mere coincidence of finding oil in shale deposits below impermeable layer of rock is merely prima facie evidence that the oil is of biologic origin. It is only proof that shale provides and excellent collection medium for the oil. Coincidence should never be mistaken for proof. That is what has gotten us into this whole global warming folderol.

It may well be that the sedimentary nature of the shale, which causes it to preserve fossils in between layers of sediment is what makes it good at coalescing oil, i.e. the "bugs" in shale cuttings and core samples which predict the probability of the presence of oil do not necessarily prove that they are the source of the oil.

In this case, geologists may be guilty of conflating coincidence with origin.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the theory, I'm only saying that adhering to dogma simply because it disagrees with the newer theory is not "scientific," it is dogmatic. Science and scientist must always be open to challenges to accepted dogma.

It is that kind of closed-minded acceptance of dogma which is now causing our politicians to contemplate bankrupting our society simply on the word of the currently accepted dogma of climate change.

When science becomes close minded to any challenge to accepted theory, it ceases to be science and becomes religion.

[shove_it]

"...in a mere 20 years US business as become unable to think outside the box. Interesting comment. So, what happened 20 years ago that brought about this situation?"

27 year old box

[ovrtaxt]

So, basically, the Muzzies have an endless supply of wealth, to wage jehad with.

Our refusal to drill our own oil gives them this weapon. We could 'disarm' them in a space of a few years if we really wanted to.

The question is, why don't our 'leaders' want to?

[Sudetenland]

Uh-oh. If your oil is "weeping," then I see a need for a Congressional committee to determine why the oil is sad and what our government can do to make the oil happier.

Stop big businesses from making oil fields depressed! More rights for sad oil fields!! No More Sad Oil!!!

[Sudetenland]

If there are pyrites in the coal they should be hung for pyricy! Captain Jack Sparrow lives.