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ANYONE THINK IT IS TIME FOR ANOTHER PARTY?

Posted on 01/23/2008 1:05:47 PM PST by gbscott1954

I was sitting here thinking something that I have thought before several times in recent months. The Republican Party began as a third party championing the cause of abolition and westward expansion. Just was wondering some of your thoughts about if it is time to begin thinking about a new true conservative party dedicated to true conservative principles?


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KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; fred; fredthompson; thirdparty
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To: Bear_Slayer
What would this Great Revitaliser look like in your opinion?

I have no idea, but I have no doubt he's out there. The republican party has, in my opinion, hit bottom. There's no where else to go but up.

Color me cautiously optimistic (or foolish.)
181 posted on 01/23/2008 2:40:39 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Just another reluctant Mitt Supporter)
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To: gbscott1954
So you want to be Ron Paul Lite.

Good luck.

182 posted on 01/23/2008 2:41:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“So you want to be Ron Paul Lite.”

I was asking for thoughts and feedback, not slurs and insults.


183 posted on 01/23/2008 2:45:17 PM PST by gbscott1954 (Fred in a brokered convention, ANYONE BUT McCAIN!)
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To: gbscott1954
I was sitting here thinking something that I have thought before several times in recent months. The Republican Party began as a third party championing the cause of abolition and westward expansion. Just was wondering some of your thoughts about if it is time to begin thinking about a new true conservative party dedicated to true conservative principles?

In 1856, political bosses chose Presidential party nominees and party issues in smoke-filled back rooms. Voters then got to vote on the issues and candidate selected by the bosses.

Today, Presidential nominees are chosen by primary voters from a laundry list of candidates and each primary candidate has his own pet issues. All issues are already on the table. The problem is that the average voters are no longer buying our issues.

"The GOP" did not reject Fred Thompson. Average American voters did.

"The Democrats" did not reject Dennis Kucinich. Average American voters did.

Voting third party in the general election just leaves either the hard core conservatives or hard core liberals with a 20% vote tally that will win nothing and guarantee victory to the party that sticks together based on "right of center beliefs" or "left of center belief" without demanding Perfect Political Purity.

If Dennis Kucinich runs as a third party candidate and splits the left of center vote, a Republican victory is assured in November.

If Fred Thompson runs as a third party candidate and splits the right of center vote, a Democrat victory is assured in November.

That is just the way the simple arithmetic works.

With time, the political pendulum will once again swing our way. Until then, our duty is not to hand the Left the White House with idiotic moves such as splitting the right of center vote in 1992 and handing over the White House to Bill Clinton when he managed to get less than 43% of the popular vote.

184 posted on 01/23/2008 2:46:24 PM PST by Polybius
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To: ex-snook
The third party idea only festers in the party that is changing

True, and the republican party is changing. Unfortunately it is not changing for the better and its a mortal sin to go, or vote, elsewhere.

185 posted on 01/23/2008 2:46:28 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: gbscott1954

Let’s fix what’s broken in our party right now. That’s going to take some hard work, but probably less work than making a 3rd party viable.


186 posted on 01/23/2008 2:49:19 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (R.I.P . Conservatism 1790 - 2008)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I married her sister - Senility. I’d forgotten all about her sister until you reminded me.


187 posted on 01/23/2008 2:50:00 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: eleni121
That is a reasonable point, elenil.

It does annoy me to no end to hear bots of any flavor spin their candidates record to be whiter than the driven snow.

He has not come out and said that has had a 180 on the issue, has he?
Has he come forward and said that he would put forth judges who might view Roe a bit differently?
I don’t honestly know.

Nevertheless, that is not a hot button issue for me when it stands alone.
But after reviewing all of his record it seems remarkably consistent with that of a Socialist leaning democrat with a modern and reasonable, well groomed face.

He does look good. Thank you for your post. - Bill

188 posted on 01/23/2008 2:50:12 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: gbscott1954

It’s been my observation that the reason 3rd parties fail is because they’re always based on one publicity hound running for president and once he loses, there’s nothing left to the party. A successful 3rd party has to start by running for state legislatures and then putting their best up for congress. The Libertarians are the only ones I know of using that approach and they’re not having much luck.


189 posted on 01/23/2008 2:52:03 PM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Bear_Slayer
You have read the articles posted here today alone on the candidates. Comments by other Freeprers have said it amazingly well. The Republican Party can survive with a moderate (Romney) but not a liberal (McCain, Rudy or Huckabee). The Party can move back to the right from where it is now and not further to the left of where it is now.

As I see conservatism it runs from the right (staunch) to the left (liberal) right now we are left of center. Further right is libertarian; further left is Dem.

McCain, Rudy and Huckabee will moves us further left into a DemLite Party, from which it will never recover. Romney would move us back to the right into the center or a moderate position. Which can be built on over the next 2 and 4 years in Congressional and the next Presidential election.

Unlike the other three I believe Romney is conservative, competent, consistent in his actions and these are the assets we can use as a base to build on. He can unify a platform of social, fiscal and national security based in conservatism, the others can not do that. Additionally, we must elect the conservatives in greater numbers to ensure his actions are not blocked. We need to build up and continue looking forward.
190 posted on 01/23/2008 2:52:31 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Slapshot68
I’d rather take back the Republican Party than go through starting a whole new one.

Blue dogs are a species on the path to extinction.

191 posted on 01/23/2008 2:55:46 PM PST by shuckmaster
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To: gbscott1954
Now wait a second here. You guys got all hissy at the possibility of Ron Paul going 3rd party. Now your candidates aren't in, and you're talking about a 3rd party?

How hypocritical can you people be?

192 posted on 01/23/2008 2:57:09 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: gbscott1954
"I was sitting here thinking..."

Oh yea?
Kewl.

Before I say you aren't the first, tell me exactly where "here" is.

...I gotta know.

193 posted on 01/23/2008 2:59:32 PM PST by Landru (Reality hits the faithful the hardest.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Here’s a thread with some good research from a fellow Freeper.

RINO CHART - Issues and Ratings Update
1/23/08 | dwar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1958439/posts


194 posted on 01/23/2008 3:01:11 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
Thanks. I already so it and copied the data into a speadsheet. I'm formating it for readable and so I can sort the data in various ways.

It is a shame that Hunter/Thompson both score so high and yet neither have won approval with a significant number in the GOP. If I vote, I might write them in.

195 posted on 01/23/2008 3:05:22 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Hunter and Thompson were my first and second choice all along. I didn’t think I would have to re-group.


196 posted on 01/23/2008 3:17:27 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Slapshot68
I’d rather take back the Republican Party than go through starting a whole new one

That would be like trying to control Microsoft by asking everyone to buy ten shares and pooling their efforts. Ain't gonna happen.

The best model is to develop and sustain within the party one or more caucuses of sufficient power that the smugs who run things are forced to take them into account. Look at the 'rat party--black caucus, women's caucus, unions, all a bunch of dirt but the party has to respect them.

What if the GOP had a really serious freemarket caucus led by some people who actually succeeded in getting elected; a rejuvenated and upgraded Christian right; a coherent defense/ national security lobby... not just bullshit emporiums like Heritage or Cato who ask me for money so they can treat themselves to black tie affairs every autumn, but real organizations of grass roots people, who have enough discipline not to get into pissing matches with each other.

Moral Majority was one that made it work, for awhile, so it can be done-- with the ever scarce but always essential ingredient--LEADERSHIP.

197 posted on 01/23/2008 3:22:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Radix
Seriously, the Republican Party was founded by northerners in order to make serious changes. They did that.

Situation was way different in 1860. Four different candidates won electoral votes that year.

198 posted on 01/23/2008 3:26:00 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: B Knotts

That’s the truth. I’ve certainly seen my share of weirdos at Young Republicans meetings.


199 posted on 01/23/2008 3:26:23 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: gbscott1954

Sure. Why not. There are usually about eight parties on the ballot in national elections here and a couple of them are conservative and a couple are extremely conservative. What’s another one that might pull in a couple hundred votes.


200 posted on 01/23/2008 3:28:51 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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