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The Tyranny of Super-Delegates (will Super Delegates save Hillary?)
nation ^ | jan 2007 | the always entertaining moonbat Katrina vanden Heuvel

Posted on 01/05/2008 11:24:42 AM PST by doug from upland

The Tyranny of Super-Delegates

Barack Obama's stirring victory in Iowa was also a good night for our democracy. The turnout broke records and young people – who were mobilized and organized – participated in unprecedented numbers. And now that Iowans have spoken – the first citizens in the nation to do so – here's the Democratic delegate count for the top three candidates (2,025 delegates are needed to secure the nomination):

Clinton – 169

Obama – 66

Edwards – 47

"Huh?" you say. "vanden Heuvel, you made a MAJOR typo."

In fact, those numbers are correct: the third-place finishing Sen. Hillary Clinton now has over twice as many delegates as Sen. Obama, and more than three times as many delegates as the second-place candidate, Sen. John Edwards. Why? Because the Democratic Party uses an antiquated and anti-democratic nominating system that includes 842 "super-delegates" – un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters, free to support the candidate of their choice, and who comprise more than forty percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination. Many have already announced the candidate they will support.

In a clear attempt to protect the party establishment, this undemocratic infrastructure was created following George McGovern's landslide defeat in 1972. It was designed to prevent a nominee who was "out of sync with the rest of the party," Northeastern University political scientist William Mayer told MSNBC. Democratic National Committee member Elaine Kamarck called it a "sort of safety valve."

In 1988, Reverend Jesse Jackson challenged the notion that these appointed delegates be permitted to vote for the candidate of their choosing rather than the winner of the state's caucus or primary. He was right to do so. Twenty years later, when the word "change" is being bandied about, isn't it time for the Democratic Party to give real meaning to the word? Strengthen our democracy by reforming the super-delegate system so that the people, not the party establishment, choose their candidate.


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To: doug from upland

Thanks Doug, but didn’t you have a link without a photo of “The Corslime”. :0)


21 posted on 01/05/2008 11:52:55 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: doug from upland

The best possible outcome for us at the end of the primary season, on the RAT side:

Obambi ends up with a clear majority of all the primary votes cast and the Beast gets the nomination because of the Super Delegates.

She would head into the general election with a stolen primary election under her belt!

The left would be pissed at her and the right would have yet one more warning that they better not let the Beast be the Prez.


22 posted on 01/05/2008 11:53:04 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: VeniVidiVici
we could witness a meltdown and civil war within the Democrat Party!

I’ll have my camera ready!

party hats and whistles also.

23 posted on 01/05/2008 11:53:39 AM PST by reg45
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary will definitely get the nomination, and yes, it may be only because of super-delegates. Imagine that, when the Democrats’ own mantra of “selected, not elected” is turned back on them! Hillary will have lost the popular vote for the nomination, but will be put into the nomination by “The Powers That Be.” How fitting.

Now, consider the GOP side of the equation. The Democrat nominee will be likely known starting next month, even with the super-delegate issue in play. Even if not, we already know that the nominee will be one of two people. But the likely scenario on the Republican side, with the way things are going — the ultra condensed primaries along with the early, overstuffed Super Tuesday, and two candidates whose strategy is to win late (Thompson & Giuliani), two candidates who will be kept alive by early wins (Huckabee & McCain) and two candidates who will have enough money and ego to stay in until the bitter end (Romney & Paul), we have the very real, very likely possibility of a brokered convention. It is unlikely any candidate will run away with the nomination, and the delegates will split fairly evenly across anywhere from 3 to 5 candidates. This leaves the final victor completely up in the air until the GOP Convention in early September. So the Democrat nominee will be known, and already is narrowed down to one of two people right now, but the GOP nominee will be a total mystery until just two months before the election. This means the Republicans will have all summer and into the fall to define the Democrat nominee negatively, but the Democrats won’t have a clear target to shoot for until the very end.

And who will come out ahead in the end at a brokered convention? No one can know for sure. It could be Newt Gingrich for all we know. However, my guess is it will be Fred Thompson. The reason is simple: Fred may not be many people’s first choice. e may not even be anybody’s first choice. But he is everybody’s second choice. Fred is the only candidate in the Republican field who is acceptable to everyone. And that is what a brokered convention produces. Go down the entire presidential list, and every candidate has their own faction, and a lot of opposition from every one else. Until you get to Fred. There is no strong opposition from constituency to him. And so after an inability for anyone to get their first choice passed, and needing to choose someone, the delegates will unite around the one guy they all can accept: Fred Thompson.

Hillary will have been utterly destroyed by September and Fred will emerge from the convention clean and seeming fresh and new. The Democrats won’t have a chance in November.


24 posted on 01/05/2008 11:53:57 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP'08 - Go For Brokered!)
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To: doug from upland
I know.

Apparently, most people don't know anything except what the media tells them.

I wonder if America is lost ...

25 posted on 01/05/2008 11:54:16 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Onerom99

Gary Hart probably would have beaten Mondale if not for the superdelegates....no I don’t think anything will come of it...


26 posted on 01/05/2008 11:55:10 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: doug from upland
Most of the Dem delegates hold Dem "kiss" jobs or are Dems in Office...cronies if you will...going back to the Clinton administration.

Now who do you suppose holds the key to their continuing in their positions? THAT's WHY Hillary knows she has the nomination. She holds the purse.

27 posted on 01/05/2008 11:55:57 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: doug from upland

Sounds like it should be illegal to me.

I am shocked.


28 posted on 01/05/2008 11:56:11 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DJ Frisat

Hillary was the FIRST clown to call for ablishing the Electoral College. Our forefathers did it for one reason...to stop “block” voting...the very tactic that Hillary has built up...


29 posted on 01/05/2008 11:58:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: rbg81

That may be true of the party faithful, but as for the “new voters expecting change”, they may ask Obama to go indie and run a third party campaign.


30 posted on 01/05/2008 11:58:10 AM PST by reg45
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To: A CA Guy

Not illegal. The party makes up its own rules.


31 posted on 01/05/2008 12:02:00 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

At the “stirring victory” link it said Hillary spent $17 million in Iowa—to come in third. I thought she had about $100 million, and she blew almost one-fifth of it on a big, fat, humiliating loss. At her burn rate, there’s not going to be much left to bribe her superdelegates to stay onboard.

I must admit I’m enjoying this, hoping the era of Clinton is over.


32 posted on 01/05/2008 12:03:01 PM PST by LadyNavyVet (I'm a monthly donor, are you?)
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To: counterpunch

The GOP does not have a super delegate system.


33 posted on 01/05/2008 12:03:33 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

It’s real dirty and very reflective of that party as I see it.

I would think the Democrat part voters would scream if they all understood that is how it is.

Why bother having the people vote if they are going to do that?


34 posted on 01/05/2008 12:04:16 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: samtheman
She would head into the general election with a stolen primary election under her belt!

A Hillary! nomination "selected, not elected?"

-PJ

35 posted on 01/05/2008 12:06:56 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: counterpunch
In your scenario, I see Fred Thompson picking Mitt Romney as Vice President (just as George H.W. Bush was to Ronald Reagan) which will give Romney 4-8 years to prove his conservative bona fides to the GOP, and help fund the general election campaign. The establishment of the party would have no problem with that team, and the evangelicals would have the choice of two pro-life candidates versus the dems.
36 posted on 01/05/2008 12:07:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: All

If Obama sweeps through primaries, but Hillary takes it at the convention with Super Delegates, black voters will be angry as hell. May there be civil war in their party that tears them apart.


37 posted on 01/05/2008 12:08:12 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: rbg81

Only an admirer of Clinton would ever make such a statement as you have.


38 posted on 01/05/2008 12:09:39 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: counterpunch

And don’t you think that a brokered convention will be immensely more information heavy than the scripted ones we have seen for the last few elections? The Republicans spend 2-3 days talking about their ideas with more people watching because its a contest. The last Republican convention was a big bounce for Bush, a brokered convention could be Awesome.


39 posted on 01/05/2008 12:12:37 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: doug from upland
842 "super-delegates" – un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters,...

Whatever it takes for a tyrant, eh?

40 posted on 01/05/2008 12:13:16 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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