Posted on 12/30/2007 6:55:06 PM PST by NYC Republican
Buoyed by the still unsettled field, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is growing increasingly enchanted with the idea of launching an independent presidential bid, and his aides are aggressively laying the groundwork for him to run.
On Sunday, the mayor will join Democratic and Republican elder statesmen at the University of Oklahoma in what the conveners are billing as an effort to pressure the major party candidates to renounce partisan gridlock.
Former Senator David L. Boren of Oklahoma, who organized the session with former Senator Sam Nunn, a Democrat of Georgia, suggested in an interview that if the prospective major party nominees failed within two months to formally embrace bipartisanship and address the fundamental challenges facing the nation, “I would be among those who would urge Mr. Bloomberg to very seriously consider running for president as an independent.”
Next week’s meeting, reported on Sunday in The Washington Post, comes as the mayor’s advisers have been quietly canvassing potential campaign consultants about their availability in the coming months
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I think the only GOP votes he’s going to draw are, as you say, northeast country club RINO’s.
Bloomberg will lose most of the GOP voters in the rest of the country due to this obsession he has over guns, and the outlandish stunts he’s pulled in his pursuit of out-of-state gun dealers on the east coast.
He’s pro-choice. So there goes another component of the GOP vote.
He’s also lacking in most all other POTUS-type positions. He’s been a micro-managing mayor, and something of a scold on the subject of smoking and health, receiving the title of “Nurse Bloomberg” from some quarters.
So aside from the demographic you mentioned, I have a really difficult time seeing Bloomberg affecting the race as you suggest — ie, that he’ll push the odds of the race towards the Democrats. I see him getting more votes from the Democrats who want a “fiscally conservative, socially moderate” Clinton/DLC type of candidate rather than pulling votes out of the GOP/conservative base.
Read these state by state poll numbers and tally up the electoral votes and you’ll be more informed as to the implications of a Bloomberg candidacy. If Bloomberg runs, Hillary will become President.
http://www.surveyusa.com/3WayMBwheel062007
First, what I see in those results is that some states have an issue with Romney. The scenario in several of those flips is specific to Romney.
Second, How many of these people actually know of Bloomberg’s actual positions in the past, vs. what they think he stands for?
That’s the wildcard here, IMO: what the GOP does to define Bloomberg. Telling people “just the facts” about Bloomberg could go a long way towards changing who is voting for him. I simply cannot believe that many people outside the northeast know what Bloomberg’s actual positions are. For example, the flip on Missouri — I think that would change if the NRA starts telling people what Bloomie’s position on guns is.
Good God, I didn’t know Romney was that weak.
Your article quotes two unnamed sources, that’s it. No poll numbers to back up these anonymous quotes.
Read these poll numbers, count the electoral votes and wake up. This is very bad news if he runs.
http://www.surveyusa.com/3WayMBwheel062007
He'll easily hurt the Dem candidate if Paul or Thompson is the GOP nominee. Bloomberg's a statist and conservatives won't vote for him.
However if Giuliani or Huckster is the GOP nominee, you have 3 socialists in the race then. I'd probably move to Panama then.
What are you TAWWWWWKIN’ about?
Bloomberg was born a Jewish liberal democrat from NYC, day one, dude. He only switched to “Republican” (and very liberal republican at that) because Mark Green beat him to the democrat nomination. Moreover, if it wasn’t for Giuliani campaigning his butt off for Bloomberg, because Giuliani hated Mark Green soooooo much, Mark Green had a very good chance of winning. I don’t remember the numbers, but it was close. Also, Green had one faux pax in the campaign that was a turn off for a lot of NYC voters. It was either the very negative campaign tactics or a very hateful remark he made.
He’s continued a lot of Giuliani’s policies and I think he his management of the NYC finances might make Bloomberg look like a fiscal conservative. Otherwise, with the smoking ban, and trans fat ban, and similar crap, he’s a liberal’s wet dream. Moreover, a President Bloomberg (perish the thought)would just be an extension of the blood sucking economic policies that strengthen China and weaken America. He would be real weak on sealing off U.S. borders from illegal aliens too. Pro-choice, pro-gun control. Yeah, a liberal wet dream.
This polling is irrelevant. There isn’t a state there where all three candidates have had major exposure - except the NY scenario where you have Rudy/Hillary/Bloom - and there, it tilts the race to Rudy.
The point is that Bloomberg is going to spend his billions positioning himself as non-partisan, independent, gridlock buster, financially conservative, successful businessman. He has no intentions of winning. He is going to court independents exclusively.
Bloombergs aim is to split the independent vote and get Hillary elected since it is in the best interest of New York City and his fellow New Yorkers.
There will be a Republican elected President. Relax...
He might get Obama to be his running mate.
John
>>>>If Bloomberg runs, Hillary will become President.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946171/posts
Hence, the Year of the Rat celebration
The independents are already supporting Paul, and even they know how much of a statist Bloomberg is.
Trust me, Bloomberg doesn't add anything to the race. We're in a new age of politics now when more voters are educated on the issues and know what's going on in current events. Bloomberg is appealing to the people who watch the evening news broadcasts.
This is why it's critical that the Republican Party doesn't alienate Paul, because he's bringing in new voters into the GOP.
He can spend a trillion dollars but voters aren't going to buy it. You have a warped definition of what "independents" are. These are people who lean libertarian and populist right. They are already supporting Dr. Paul and some are supporting Obama. They are simply not going to vote for Bloomberg.
The only thing Bloomberg is going to do is carve up that thumb-sucking base of sheeple who consistently vote Democrat and believe in the MSM gloom-and-doom stories about how "nothing" ever gets done in Washington.
I predict when the dust settles Bloomberg will pull out, especially if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Rudy or Huckster because he knows conservatives will stay home or vote 3rd party and that'll give Hillary the election right there.
Bloomberg would not be a bipartisan candidate. He would be just another NY liberal. On the other hand, he might cost the Dems NYC.
Bloomberg is targeting Independents to prevent them from voting for the GOP Candidate when faced with Hillary as their only other choice.
Independents will break to the GOP with Hillary as the alternative so Bloomberg’s job is to siphon off those votes.
He will not target Democrats in his advertising. He will not target Republicans in his advertising. He will target the disaffected center and do his best to keep them from voting Republican.
The way I see it if bloomberg runs for President. Slow talking no fire in the belly Fred Thompson will get to beat a millionaire robot, and a billionaire lib. Very exciting.
GO FRED GO.
But it's not going to have any effect. These independents are not going to vote for Bloomberg. They are educated, have studied the issues, and concluded that Bloomberg is a statist with no appeal. I don't care how much money Bloomberg spends on remodeling himself. Independents will see through this and they'll go back to backing either Hillary or the GOP nominee. If Paul's the GOP nominee, it doesn't matter who runs 3rd party. He's got all the independents, libertarians, and Democrats who oppose the war vote locked up.
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