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Stone Age feminism? [Neanderthal women to blame]
Boston Globe ^ | 10 November 2007 | Colin Nickerson

Posted on 11/10/2007 8:37:25 AM PST by Fractal Trader

The Neanderthal extinction some 30,000 years ago remains one of the great riddles of evolution, with rival theories blaming everything from genocide committed by "real" humans to prehistoric climate change.

But a recent study introduces another explanation: Stone Age feminism. Among Neanderthals, hunting big beasts was women's work as well as men's, so it's a safe bet that female hunters got stomped, gored, and worse with appalling frequency. And a high casualty rate among fertile women - the vital "reproductive core" of a tiny population - could well have meant demographic disaster for a species already struggling to survive among monster bears, yellow-fanged hyenas, and cunning Homo sapien newcomers.

A spate of recent discoveries has yielded intriguing clues about humanity's closest cousin. Neanderthals and humans split from a common ancestor some 500,000 years ago. Neanderthals had Europe to themselves until Homo sapiens started swarming out of Africa about 45,000 years ago - the beginning of the end for these archetypical cave dwellers, although they hung on for 15 millennia.

No other prehistoric people had quite the same kinship with humans: just 2,000 generations ago, the blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, Neanderthals walked among us and we among them. They might have been our lovers. Almost certainly they were our rivals, competing for the same giant elk and reindeer.

Then they were gone.

[SNIP]

"If a Neanderthal were to come along, we'd think he was kind of weird. But we might also wonder whether to admit him to Harvard," Lieberman said. "They remain this touchstone species that evokes strong emotions."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; women
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To: Fractal Trader

Maybe neanderthal men were gay.


21 posted on 11/10/2007 9:30:51 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: samtheman

It is still a mystery as to why they dissapeared.


22 posted on 11/10/2007 9:36:15 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: Fractal Trader

Neanderthals ARE modern human being; they’re just a genetically different form much as Asians, Europeans, Africans, Indians and so on have different charecteristics!


23 posted on 11/10/2007 9:40:51 AM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: squarebarb
“prehistoric climate change”

Fred Flintstones car.

24 posted on 11/10/2007 9:40:56 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Fractal Trader

My understanding was that some of the Neanderthals were better hunters than others, so they ate better. Then along came a cavewoman named Rodhamia who said “bad hunter not really bad! Fault of good hunter!” So they made her head of the tribe and she distributed all the meat equally.

The good hunters stopped hunting as hard. Rodhamia blamed them for the poor hunts and had them thrown off cliffs as the the tribal council shouted a prehistoric chant that roughly translates into “for the children!” Pretty soon, all that remained were the lousy hunters.

Along came an ice age. The Neanderthals had survived past ice ages by working harder. This time, instead of working harder they said “ice come because we change earth with our fires! We sorry!”

They banned all fires and felt good about themselves for the rest of their lives. Admittely, that was only about six months.


25 posted on 11/10/2007 9:48:40 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: Syncro
Bet she's happy with what she dragged in.


26 posted on 11/10/2007 9:49:59 AM PST by Lady Jag (Fall seven times, stand up eight)
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To: SunkenCiv; Fractal Trader
"Don't even get me started on those Neanderthal wimmin."

LOL.

Has everyone noticed that each new discovery/revelation about Neanderthals is in the direction of placing them closer and closer to us (Modern Humans)?

27 posted on 11/10/2007 9:50:42 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Fractal Trader

Few places in science have such room for writters of soap operas - I can just hear the organ music.


28 posted on 11/10/2007 9:58:16 AM PST by delacoert
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To: Fractal Trader
Mark Steyn made the (obvious) demographic point in America Alone that if a group of people stops having babies, then it's soon going to be dominated by more fertile groups. If Neanderthal women thought it was more important to pursue a career than have babies, then it's no wonder Neanderthals are hard to find.
29 posted on 11/10/2007 10:03:11 AM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Feminism = extinction


30 posted on 11/10/2007 10:03:52 AM PST by Hacklehead (Proud graduate of the Klingon School of Interpersonal Communication.)
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To: John123
"Neanderthals walked among us and we among them. They might have been our lovers."

Ugh! No thanks...

Fess up! Maybe not now, but when you were a teenager, you would've...

31 posted on 11/10/2007 10:06:20 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Lady Jag

Cute graphic.

Now, do you know why CaveMEN dragged their women by the hair instead of the feet?

So they wouldn’t fill up with sand!!!


32 posted on 11/10/2007 10:07:36 AM PST by CTOCS (Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.)
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To: edcoil
Fixed your typo:

Fred Flintstone's car SUV...

33 posted on 11/10/2007 10:07:41 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: ansel12

Ughhhh....I think I will take Helen over this picture.....


34 posted on 11/10/2007 10:08:01 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: Lady Jag
LOL so many replies floating around!

1) Soooo, you found my picture

2) I didn't look like that when she dragged me to the cave!

12) Oh she was for a while, but she swung that club a lot more after I escaped...(pinata patrol)

35 posted on 11/10/2007 10:08:11 AM PST by Syncro (Standing up for the 8th time...:>)
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To: Fractal Trader

women even with all their faults were still well worth the rib....i love em


36 posted on 11/10/2007 10:08:31 AM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: Fractal Trader
New theory: THEY NEVER DIED OUT.
They are still among us.
some new findings, cross breeding with H.Sapient, red hair, pale skin, show it could be the modern northern European, but the genetics less and less Neanderthal due to increased mixing with the new man over many centuries. I believe, the Vikings and the Teutonic Barbarians were still close to it. I once read a eyewitness report of a roman soldier from the rom. empire period who described the barbarians society, red hair, stocky build, it functioned totally different, he was in-fact admiring them. Also the Romans were not able to conquer their territory, they were viscous fighters.
37 posted on 11/10/2007 10:13:21 AM PST by modican
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To: trisham

It is my opinion that a viral disease killed off the Neanderthals, a virus the invading homo sapien horde brought with them that they had immunity to. Kind of the way the invasion from South of the US has the potential to end our civilization with a whimper, for if the US dies the world will succumb to the virus of Islam.


38 posted on 11/10/2007 10:27:19 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Fractal Trader

This theory assumes that while the Neanderthal women hunted and performed ‘manly chores’, the Homo Sapiens women did not.

So were the Homo Sapiens women, like, blond valley girls who totally liked shopping over chopping?


39 posted on 11/10/2007 10:35:32 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Fractal Trader

“Doesn’t sound persuasive to me. If this situation were so bad, then Neanderthals would have never survived in the first place.”

If you have one man and a hundred women, you can have a hundred babies a year. If you have a hundred men and one woman, you can only have one baby a year.


40 posted on 11/10/2007 10:41:02 AM PST by dsc (q)
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