Posted on 10/23/2007 2:44:10 PM PDT by NorthernRight
Edited on 10/23/2007 5:40:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
October 22, 2007
Fire officials are now stating that the Orange County Santiago fire was purposely set and there is speculation that other fires may have also been deliberate. See Interactive Map
Fire officials found three separate “points of origin,” all near the intersection of Silverado Canyon Road and Santiago Canyon Road. Two were on one side of the road, and the third was on the other. “Whoever did this knew what they were doing,” said Kris Concepcion, a fire authority battalion chief. Also, the fire traveled 3 miles in its first 20 minutes when it was ignited about 6 p.m. Sunday, he said.
We are NOT implying that the California fires are an act of terrorism however; the threat of pyro-terrorist attacks pose a significant risk to the U.S. and the fires in California and in Greece earlier this year should be a wake-up call.
In 2003 an FBI memo alerted law enforcement agencies that an al-Qaeda terrorist being held in detention had talked of masterminding a plot to set a series of devastating forest fires around the western United States.
It was reported that the detainee, who was not identified, said the plan involved three or four people setting wildfires using timed devices in Colorado, Montana, Utah and Wyoming that would detonate in forests and grasslands after the operatives had left the country.
“The detainee believed that significant damage to the U.S. economy would result and once it was realized that the fires were terrorist acts, U.S. citizens would put pressure on the U.S. government to change its policies,” the memo said.
How Can So Many Fires Be By Natural Causes ?
A Local News Radio talk show host in San Diego asked, “how can so many fires, in so many places, in such a short period of time, all be caused by natural causes”.
From USA Today in July of 2003
USA Today/Gannett publication article removed.
al-Qaeda Detainee Spoke of Fire Plot
As we have stated before. If you see anything suspicious, report it to law enforcement immediately.
UPDATE: Video - Officials say arson now suspected in Orange County Fire
UPDATE: From Los Angeles Fox News
“I’m sad to report this is an arson fire,” OCFA Chief Chip Prather announced at an early morning briefing. “There were three separate starts: two on one side of the road and one on the other, and obviously we are actively investigating that.”
Links - A number of blogs and websites have sprung up to report on the fires. We will provide links to a couple we’ve found.
National Interagency Fire Center
Live Local News Coverage Channel 10 San Diego
Written by News Admin · Filed Under Incident Reports
As usual the reaction in Cali is way overkill.
Only 1700 homes?
That is laughably small to disrupt the lives of a half million people.
Have there ever been fires in California that have done some real damage worth such an evacuation? At minimum, we are talking 5,000 homes destroyed....at minimum.
This round of fires will probably stop about 2 grand actually destroyed.
400,000 people were evacuated out of over-reaction.
I hear ya!
I seem to recall several news article a few years back that indicated information found on one or several captured terrorist’s computers indicated setting fires and draining resources were part of their plans.
They did it in Greece (which, strangely enough, was covered very little), so why wouldn’t they do it here?
We can laugh at that comment right now, but that WILL be the headline in a day or two!
So far we have mortgage defaulters, illegals in the construction trades, illegals fueled by resentment, forest fire fighters wanting full employment, ELF terrorists, Jihaddic Terrorists, local Islamic terrorists, destructive kids, and my personal favorite, Al Gore, on a motorcycle, wanting another Global Warming Proof that the debate is over.
Maybe it was all of them in some giant conspiracy.....
See OC Almanac.
There was a conviction in one of the fires in the Sierra
about 10 years back or so... seems the local heavy equipment
owners involved liked the CDF contracts that come with wildland fires...
I guess I should have included long, left over, Japanese WWII airborne balloon incindiary devices.
When your neighborhood burns we’ll watch to see how you
mind that stew.
Sheesh.
OK, so the Japanese sold these WWII baloons to Osama....who sold them to Vicente Fox....
no its a stupid and ignorant guess.
you should get a fact first before accusing people of arson.
I can see why some disparage this as a forum of haters.
Have you ever seen 10,000 people trying to hurriedly evacuate using city streets from one small area. Total confusion is the result. Have just one car accident in an intersection and total confusion results UNLESS you have a police officer on foot directing traffic.
How many people do you know would ruin the paint job on their car bumper pushing a strangers vehicle to the curb so that the traffic behind him could flow smoothly? That is not a response commonly seen today.
Evacuating the 400,000 people was the intelligent thing to do.
The stock market is doing as expected.
There are enough homegrown pyromaniacs, who get turned on by the constant media barrage of flaming Hell photos, and then go out and start a few of their own.
I don’t think this is Al Quaeda-related. It’s a mixture of accidental fires and pyros acting out.
I was responding to the post you quoted; sorry for the confusion.
No worries......
Those who oppose the use of Occam’s razor and what’s more go out of their way to multiply hypotheses and causes without bound are contributing what they can to the high purpose of indeterminacy.
“They did arrest one guy with a weird-sounding Armenian name for a wildfire arson and the more clueless on FR briefly got excited thinking he might be a Muslim or Arab.”
Yeah IIRC the guy’s name was Oyler.....If it’s the same case that we’re thinking of.
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