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Father Waylays Daughter's Lover
Manchester Union Leader ^ | September 22, 2007 | Greta Cuyler

Posted on 09/22/2007 6:21:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble

WEARE – A father attacked his daughter's boyfriend last week after learning the boy had sex with the underage girl, police said.

It was about 1:30 p.m. Monday, Sept. 10, when the man stormed onto the grounds of John J. Stark High School and beat up the 17-year-old from Henniker. School was just letting out, and many students witnessed the attack, said Detective Lou Chatel.

The boy suffered bruising and later received two stitches to his face.

The father was charged with simple assault, a Class B felony.

Police said the boy is dating the man's 15-year-old daughter.

The man discovered the two had had sex earlier that day, during school hours but not on school property, police said.

Under state law, a 15-year-old cannot consent to sex; therefore, police are investigating the allegation as a sexual assault.

The New Hampshire Union Leader has a policy of not identifying sexual assault victims. For that reason, the newspaper is not identifying the father.

Both students attend John Stark High School. The girl lives in Weare.

Chatel said there have been no arrests in the sex case, but he expects there will be.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: assault; attaboy; fatherhood; gogethim; waytobedad
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To: advertising guy

So, since you support this kind of vigilante justice and people beating on people obviously weaker than they are, you’re going to understand when you read that this boy’s father and two of his uncles break this butthole in half?


61 posted on 09/22/2007 7:13:55 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Chanticleer

Since when is a 17 year old a child? If the state brings rape charges against him are you gonna still call him a child?


62 posted on 09/22/2007 7:14:22 AM PDT by Comstock1 (If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Maybe. Maybe not.

This kid's stitches will be out and his bruises healed before this even goes to trial. If Dad ends up in jail for assault, and kid ends up with a slap on the wrist....

Daughter will be at the age of consent soon, too, and will probably be pretty ticked off at Daddy.

It might send a message. But what's the message? Will daughter leave home, never to return, the minute she turns 18?

I'm not defending the boy. He needs to keep his penis in his pants. I have three sons myself. We teach them about respect and responsibility. All parents should.

A seventeen year old is not a child, but neither is a fifteen year old. They are both, however, minors. The boy committed statutory rape, and he should be subject to the full penalties under the law. But taking the law into his own hands wasn't the act of a rational man. It was an act out of rage and frustration, and although I sympathize with the emotions, actions provoked by them rarely benefit anyone.

63 posted on 09/22/2007 7:14:25 AM PDT by Chanticleer (I want God, I want Poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.)
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To: Will88
In what percentage of the cases of teen sex between sixteen or seventeen year-olds and fourteen or fifteen year-olds do you think those laws were enforced?

Enough to act as a deterrent.

64 posted on 09/22/2007 7:14:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Jim Noble
It might be interesting to find out which of the posters are parents to just daughters; daughters and sons; or just sons.

Coming from a large family, I have had a unique opportunity to see differences in our views based on whom we parent.

As siblings from a "sons & daughters" family one might think that we would all have similar views; but we seem to have changed those views since we've become parents.

Those who raised "sons only" view these things entirely differently from those who have raised "daughters only" who view these things entirely differently from those who have raised "daughter and sons," "daughters and son," or "son and daughter."

It's been interesting!

65 posted on 09/22/2007 7:14:51 AM PDT by bannie
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To: Seruzawa
17 year olds aren’t children any more.

Absolutely correct - this was no Boy. Fathers are supposed to protect their daughters - even if they are part of the problem - and I imagine this Boy was quite equal in size...I think the father deserves a medal and his daughter most likely needs lessons on behaving like a young lady…………

66 posted on 09/22/2007 7:15:14 AM PDT by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: Chanticleer
Second, my daughter's 10, and she already knows right from wrong. This was a 15 year old. She wasn't being coerced by an adult. She was with a boy only two years older. I don't think you can lay all the blame at his feet. If she were my daughter, we'd have a lot of talking to do.

Bravo! I wondered how many posts it would take before someone put some of the responsibility on the daughter. She wasn't raped, she consented to have sex with her boyfriend. For all we know, she might have seduced him (not that I really think that, but it is a slim possibility.) The guy needs to deal with his daughter, she was not an innocent party.

67 posted on 09/22/2007 7:17:25 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Chanticleer
Your definition of a man is someone who assaults a child on school property in front of other children?

Get a mop for that bleeding heart of yours.

That 17 year old is old enough to be dipping his wick in the father's 15 year old daughter?

He's old enough to face the consequences.

GTF up.
68 posted on 09/22/2007 7:17:40 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Melas

your comment makes no sense


69 posted on 09/22/2007 7:18:01 AM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Will88
Age of consent laws (apparently sixteen in NH) that make it statutory rape between two high school students only two years apart in age are ridiculous.

Are you male? Were you ever a senior in high school?
If so, were you not aware of the predatory nature of your kinsmen?
If not a statute, then something else needs to exist to protect 15 year old girls from high school senior boys. They are as a wolf pack with only one thing on their minds....and Mom/Dad can't be there all day to shield them.
Girls at that age can be easy pickings for them.
Which is why I have installed a highly efficient Bullsh** detector in my 15 year old daughter.

70 posted on 09/22/2007 7:20:12 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: William Terrell

You wrote:

“The girl ruined that girl’s life.”

Most sensible comment in the thread so far.


71 posted on 09/22/2007 7:21:04 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Jim Noble
Knowing that the father would beat the crap out of you is probably the best deterrant.

Kids know that "the law" will let them go...that their parents will rescue them from the legal system.

Knowing that her dad will smash your nose in is "immediate gratification." Today's kids KNOW about "immediate gratification."

72 posted on 09/22/2007 7:21:26 AM PDT by bannie
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To: Comstock1
Let's not use the words child and adult then. Let's use the terms minor and adult. I'm not defending the 17 year old. I'm not saying he was too young to understand his actions or take responsibility for them. I don't want to see statutory rape laws repealed.

I don't think the father acted responsibly. What he did in front of other minors at school was wrong. He was lucky he only busted this kid's face up a bit. What if his blow had caused an aneurysm? What if he knocked the kid to the pavement and caused brain damage? Would it still be sensible then? Would the courts justify manslaughter because a 17 year old slept with a 15 year old?

Prosecute the kid for statutory rape under the law. Prosecute the dad for battery under the law. Let both of them take responsibility for their actions.

73 posted on 09/22/2007 7:21:46 AM PDT by Chanticleer (I want God, I want Poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.)
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To: bannie
I have six children - two boys, four girls.

When my oldest was seventeen, he was constantly jiving about his need to be "treated like a man".

One night, his GFs father came uninvited to my home for the purpose of dragging my son outside to treat him like a man by kicking his ass (he had forbidden his daughter to date my son).

I stood between them, acting like an (embarrassed) man, and eventually the GFs dad left without the satisfaction of kicking my son's ass.

In the aftermath, my son was crying his eyes out, and I got to ask the magic teenaged boy question, "OK, son, how does it feel to be treated like a man?"

74 posted on 09/22/2007 7:21:58 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: bannie

Three sons — ages 18, 15, and 7. One daughter, age 10 going on 17 if she had her way. Which she doesn’t!


75 posted on 09/22/2007 7:23:06 AM PDT by Chanticleer (I want God, I want Poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.)
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To: Jim Noble

“Enough to act as a deterrent.”

A ridiculous statement. Neither you nor anyone else could know how many teens in NY, one sixteen or older, and the other under sixteen, have sex and never tell anyone who might think consent laws must be enforced. The overwhelming majority of teens near the same age won’t be worrying about the law. They’ll just keep quiet.

This requires some commons sense. If one is eighteen and another thirteen or fourteen, that’s different from two kids a couple of years, or only a few months apart in age.

But you didn’t answer: If two classmates a few months apart have sex while one is over and one under the age of consent, should the older be charged with statutory rape? (It could be the boy or girl.)

Come on, apply the law.


76 posted on 09/22/2007 7:23:54 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Chanticleer

Youth don’t magically become more responsible or “adult” the day they turn 18. It’s a legal designation. That 17 year old is as “adult” now as he will be within next several months when he turns 18.

I doubt you’ve ever been on the receiving end of an ass whupping. It has an amazing effect on behavior correction. Daddy won’t go to jail over this and his daughter isn’t going to hate him for it and run away.

I’m betting there are countless women out there and even on this board who wish their dad had fought for them when they were doing stupid stuff in their teens.


77 posted on 09/22/2007 7:24:12 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (Reunite Gondwanaland!)
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To: Jim Noble
LOL!!!!

You’re a good father. Both fathers did the right thing, and I'll bet that your son learned a bunch of stuff that night!

There are two sides to this, and you know them both.

I just have one son and one daughter, so my experience isn’t as rife with lessons as is yours!

(My parents raised 2boys and 4girls, too.)

78 posted on 09/22/2007 7:25:26 AM PDT by bannie
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To: yoe
Fathers are supposed to protect their daughters

That's what's at issue here.

The defenders of young Romeo here don't believe that.

We have moved too far away from lay law enforcement.

In a healthy society, fathers take care of this stuff - not always, and not always well, but they are part of the picture.

The opinion leaders of our society are trying to write fathers out of the picture, for purposes of their own - and those purposes ain't good.

79 posted on 09/22/2007 7:26:23 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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