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Help wanted ads go unanswered in West
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_bi_ge/western_workers;_ylt=Askiecu11NessApVB8hNP9uyBhIF ^ | 8-25-07 | MATT GOURAS

Posted on 08/25/2007 5:30:31 AM PDT by Hydroshock

HELENA, Mont. - The owner of a fast food joint in Montana's booming oil patch found himself outsourcing the drive-thru window to a Texas telemarketing firm, not because it's cheaper but because he can't find workers.

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Record low unemployment across parts of the West has created tough working conditions for business owners, who in places are being forced to boost wages or be creative to fill their jobs.

John Francis, who owns the McDonald's in Sidney, Mont., said he tried advertising in the local newspaper and even offered up to $10 an hour to compete with higher-paying oil field jobs. Yet the only calls were from other business owners upset they would have to raise wages, too. Of course, Francis' current employees also wanted a pay hike.

"I don't know what the answer is," Francis said. "There's just nobody around that wants to work."

Unemployment rates have been as low as 2 percent this year in places like Montana, and nearly as low in neighboring states. Economists cite such factors as an aging work force and booming tourism economies for the tight labor market.

For places like Montana, it has been a steady climb in the nearly two decades since the timber and mining industry recession. The state approached double-digit unemployment levels in the 1980s and began the slow crawl back in the early 1990s.

"This is actually the biggest economic story of our time, and we don't quite grasp it because it is 15 years in the making," said economist Larry Swanson, director of the O'Connor Center for the Rocky Mountain West at the University of Montana.

The U.S. Department of Labor reports the mountain West region — covering eight states along the Rocky Mountains — has the lowest overall unemployment rate in the nation. The region hit an all-time low of 3.4 percent in May.

The effects are everywhere. Logging equipment in Idaho sits idle as companies have a tough time finding workers. A shortage of lifeguards has forced Helena to shorten hours at children-only pools. A local paper in Jackson, Wyo., has page after page of help wanted ads.

In Jackson Hole, the Four Seasons Resort still had openings in late July. The problem has created longer hours and tougher working conditions for current employees.

For years, the resort has imported dozens of workers from Eastern Europe who often come as much for the summer recreation opportunity as the money. This year, however, that wasn't enough and so for the first time the resort also sent recruiters to a high school job fair, said spokeswoman Greer Terry. It only helped a little.

"It's been a struggle finding employees this summer," Terry said.

Economists say there are a number of reasons why parts of the West are feeling the labor pinch.

Established baby boomers, including retirees, have been moving into Montana for the mountain views and recreation, bringing with them money for new homes that fuel construction job growth, said Swanson.

Along the way, younger people have moved away searching for bigger paychecks as the state's wages still lag behind other areas and are slowly increasing overall. Now, the aging work force is unable to expand to meet the demands of the job market, Swanson said.

He said the problem is compounded by the fact that employers, accustomed to paying relatively low wages, have been slow to increase salaries. Montana wages have historically been among the lowest in the country, and still rank near the bottom. The silver lining for workers is that wages are now growing at the third-fastest rate among U.S. states.

Now, workers with more options in some places are unwilling to take $12-an-hour jobs.

The problem could get worse as more baby boomers retire, Swanson said. By 2030, Montana and Wyoming are predicted to have among the oldest populations in the U.S, with about 26 percent of residents 65 and older, Swanson said. That compares to 19.7 percent predicted nationally.

"We thought the labor force crunch wouldn't come until 2012, but it's already arrived in a lot of these fast-growth areas," Swanson said. As a result, "you'll find older workers working longer, people will sort of linger in the work force. The employers will make it worth their time to."

Swanson added the phenomenon of quasi-retirement with older workers cutting back on hours but still heading to the office will grow, while international workers will be drawn to the region. Younger workers who used to leave will find it worth their while to stay.

"The squeeze is on. You get into these 2 percent and less unemployment rates and you're moving into a seller's market with the seller being the worker," Swanson said.

Officials worry the razor thin labor market could bind economic growth, although there has been no indication of that yet.

"One of the reasons we are seeing the lower (unemployment) rates is we are starting to see more investment in our economy. It's like finding an undervalued stock," said Tyler Turner, Montana's economic development chief.

In Helena, the pool of applicants has been shrinking even for jobs on the police force. For professional jobs, such as department managers, the city is considering hiring slightly underqualified people that can be trained on the job.

"This is the tightest market I have ever seen," said Salty Payne, who has worked in the Helena City human resource office for 15 years.

Payne in part blames the area's building boom, which is drawing workers to construction trades that are offering higher salaries.

Montana state lawmaker Art Noonan lives in the mining town of Butte — the epicenter of a big mining bust 20 years ago. Now, more people are moving in to build second homes and high paying jobs are coming back as copper prices go up.

"All of these things are sort of clicking at the same time," Noonan said. "The only economic development we used to get was the creation of more economic development offices."

In Utah — where unemployment rates have been hovering around 2.5 percent — amusement parks, trucking companies, telemarketing firms and others have been paying bonuses of hundreds of dollars or more to find workers.

"It boils down to the attractiveness of the (interior) West," said Mark Knold, chief economist at the Utah Department of Workforce Services. "It is a population magnet."

And workers have benefited. Utah workers saw a 5.4 percent average wage increase in 2006, Knold said.

But questions remain about how long the West can weather the problems that come with low unemployment.

"The hardest thing is to keep the economy growing at a strong rate when you have a low unemployment rate," he said. "Take a company that wants to expand. Where is the next worker going to come from?"


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To: Hydroshock

I predict that these jobs will eventually go to the “nose ring - pierced brow” crowd. I can imagine few things more repulsive and disgusting.


61 posted on 08/25/2007 7:46:53 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: live+let_live

The retail company I work for has a really hard time hiring in quite a few cities/states these days—and we’re on the east coast & moving into the midwest.


62 posted on 08/25/2007 7:51:43 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: swatbuznik
Yeah, I think the answer is to cut the welfare programs and that’ll force the leeches out to take up those jobs whether they want ‘em or not.

When Bush was gov of Tx, he instituted a 2 year rule. (no more generational welfare recipients) You have 2 years to get training and find a job... because the bennies get cut off after that.

If I'm not mistaken...I think you can break up the 2yrs into small increments if needed....but if you take the whole 2 years in one chunk, you're done. With all the college programs out there that will pay for low-income or minorities.... I can't think of one excuse NOT to have something after 2 years.

63 posted on 08/25/2007 7:56:19 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: starfish923

More bull crap from the left and big business that want more illegal alien slave labor.


64 posted on 08/25/2007 7:59:01 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: RipSawyer
Let me throw something at you:

When I was young (100 years ago), I realized that I could not support a family on my salary. I was in the Army and salaries were really low.

Rather than putting my wife out to work, and letting the kids suffer, I took a 2nd job, minimum wage in the retail area equivalent to a “MCJOB”.

My logic was that not only was I making a few extra bucks, but since I was tied up 20 extra hours a week, I was not out spending money.

Now, do you suppose that the work ethic of the younger generation is so low that this logic is now flawed? Just asking, I have no idea...

....Bob

65 posted on 08/25/2007 8:04:37 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: swatbuznik
Yeah, I think the answer is to cut the welfare programs and that’ll force the leeches out to take up those jobs whether they want ‘em or not.

Agreed.

People on this thread keep talking about the free market that exists without illegals, but the market is not free as long as the government is paying people not to work. If businesses raise their pay to attract workers, who of course must come from other businesses, you'll end up with an artificially inflated pay scale (costs to business) because of government subsidies for those who don't wish to work.

If we as a society believe that we should embrace a little bit of socialism and create a safety net like welfare, that safety net needs to be cut off after a very short time. People will work when there's enough pressure to do so.

"You don't work, you don't eat" works. "You don't work, well, we'll pay you anyway" doesn't work.

66 posted on 08/25/2007 8:06:25 AM PDT by EvilOverlord (Socialism makes workers into slaves and couch potatoes into kings)
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To: meadsjn

If prices get too high in the legal market, a black market develops.

Think illegal immigrants working for cash in the underground economy.

Some jobs aren’t worth $12.00 dollars per hour yet still have a crying demand. That demand will be filled by the black market. Those immigrants will still be here, but they’ll be illegal. Which is exactly the situation we have today.

I’d rather these jobs be filled with legal immigrants who will become upstanding citizens and whose children will grow up to be doctors, and businessman, etc.


67 posted on 08/25/2007 8:10:58 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: RipSawyer
The same is happening here but perhaps not that fast! I remember when paople didn’t eat away from home much and if they did they often carried something with them from home. We may wind up doing the same thing again. I admit that I got used to relatively low-priced eating places and I miss being able to eat out any time I felt like it but I realized that there had to come a time when the prices went back in line with other things. I ofter hear others say that they have almost stopped eating out because it costs so much more than a couple of years ago. Eating out was once a rare treat, it may be again.

Same thing here. The place I used to go to for lunch raised its prices. They will charge $6.50 for a tiny salad. The other nearby sandwich shops also raised their prices. Now, Mrs. Still packs a lunch for me most days.

For dinner, we are lucky if it's only $40 with tax/tip.

68 posted on 08/25/2007 8:13:03 AM PDT by stillonaroll (Rudy: pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun)
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To: Hydroshock

I’ve gotta send this to some unemployed family members.


69 posted on 08/25/2007 8:16:59 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
If he raised his wages from $8 to $10 an hour, does it take an employee more than an hour to make your sandwich?

No.

But there are other CODBs [costs of doing business] that you missed: utilities to light the building and run the freezers, utilities to heat the cooking units, utilities to keep the building cool in summer and warm in winter, franchise fees, business operation taxes, management salaries, insurances, building and parking lot maintenance, etc.

That $9.50 sounds high, but it pays for allot more than a kid to build you a sandwich. If that price is too high for you, go elsewhere. Or buy a loaf of bread (that is running well over $1.00 in any stores now, a packet of lunch meat, and build your own.
70 posted on 08/25/2007 8:20:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Lokibob

There is more than wages involved in a price increase eg:
materials (bread, meat, plastic wrappings, napkins
he has to pay a % of his profit to Wal Mart
Gasoline
__________________

His profit doesn’t increase if he has to pay higher wages, and neither do his materials (or only by a little - if his suppliers are paying higher wages too, still bread, meat, plastic and napkins are not labor-intensive).

There is just no way his costs went up by 45% on that sandwich (actually more, when you subtract his profit.)

Mrs VS


71 posted on 08/25/2007 8:21:57 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Iscool
If anything, we have too many small businesses...

You have touched on something that I have been thinking for some months now. There are 20 McDonalds within 5 miles of my house. Of course I like the convenience, but I have never been in a McDonalds that was all that busy.

We may come to the realization that we could do with less locations that require less labor and can offer lower prices.
72 posted on 08/25/2007 8:22:11 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: RipSawyer
Baloney, I am sixty three and I work part time because I want to make a little extra, I could live without the part-time job but

How greedy!!!!

Do you realize how many poor illegals you are displacing??!!!???

LOL
73 posted on 08/25/2007 8:23:05 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: starfish923
How spoiled? The average US worker makes $38000 a year, which is $19 a hour. Offer half the average wage for a crappy job, and why should you expect lots of takers? Kids starting out need such positions, sure. But most of us have much better things to do.

Incidentally, when I look at Craigslist for Wyoming, scads of wonderful positions are not the first impression. Lousy entry level, cold calling, work at home data entry, scams, and a few mid range positions offering under 50K for a perfectly tailored candidate in an obscure field - that's what I see.

Oh, and if instead you can translate Arabic, $175,000.

74 posted on 08/25/2007 8:26:01 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I felt sorry for the guy, but I told him in no uncertain terms that I was buying my last Subway, taking my business to another, better quality sub shop across the street.

BTW, I also wrote an e-mail to Subway international.

....Bob


75 posted on 08/25/2007 8:28:28 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Hydroshock
2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. The free market cuts both ways.

Taking jobs from Americans huh? /s

You just keep that head in the sand, Hydro. The 'shock' will be yours, not mine.

76 posted on 08/25/2007 8:29:07 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: TomGuy
McD's loses business not because of prices - they are quite low compared to scads of local cafes - but because they have mediocre food and the rest of the operation is worse. They put in internet - good idea - then don't let anybody on unless they pay - stoopid. They get better coffee - good idea - then make it once every two hours in a giant metal urn and let it get cold - stoopid. They want to keep the place clean - good idea - so they use plastic furniture that looks like a kid's swing set - stoopid.
77 posted on 08/25/2007 8:30:00 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: RipSawyer

“2 weeks ago a BMT was $6.50, last week the price went up to $9.50”

That my friend, is the definition of inflation. A sandwich is always worth a sandwich. But the value of dollars that you trade for the sandwich fluctuate.

Raise the price of the labor to make the sandwich and watch the value of the dollar drop.

And that is precisely why raising the minimum wage is a fool’s game. It does exactly nothing.

A + B = C. A is the price of labor. B is the value of a dollar. C is the cost of a sandwich.

A sandwich is always a sandwich (ie a constant) so if you raise A, B must do down.


78 posted on 08/25/2007 8:30:17 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: proxy_user
They won’t take $12 an hour jobs, because they can get a higher salary somewhere else.

BS. They won't take $12 @ hr. jobs because by the time they pay child-care, they're working virtually for nothing.

In Maryland we're seeing more and more seniors working behind the counters...or mopping floors.

79 posted on 08/25/2007 8:31:40 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Hydroshock
Thus a call for more illegals to be allowed into the country to fill these jobs that no Amerikan would do. /sarcasm still on.
80 posted on 08/25/2007 8:32:58 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Proud Member of the Vast Right Wing Hate Site, FREE REPUBLIC!!!!!)
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