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Help wanted ads go unanswered in West
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_bi_ge/western_workers;_ylt=Askiecu11NessApVB8hNP9uyBhIF ^ | 8-25-07 | MATT GOURAS

Posted on 08/25/2007 5:30:31 AM PDT by Hydroshock

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I have 2 things to say about this:

1. I expect to hear more of this from the OBL to try to get some amnesty.

2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. The free market cuts both ways.

1 posted on 08/25/2007 5:30:34 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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To: Hydroshock
If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12.

Or perhaps the word is out that he's a jerk as a boss?

2 posted on 08/25/2007 5:36:36 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Now, workers with more options in some places are unwilling to take $12-an-hour jobs.
Record low unemployment across parts of the West has created tough working conditions for business owners, who in places are being forced to boost wages or be creative to fill their jobs.

American workers seem to be spoiled a bit, don't they?

For the Welfarers-for-life, why work at all when the government takes care of them? There are generations of welfare lifers.

The answer is that the wages have to be high enough to lure workers to the snow country OR those business owners will have to move to where the weather is better.

Is there another answer that's practical?

3 posted on 08/25/2007 5:39:58 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Hydroshock

“The boss” can go haul his @ss down to the unemployment office and start looking for work like everyone else.

He has no right to continue a fail business by demanding anything from government, least of all changes in the law.


4 posted on 08/25/2007 5:40:05 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Hydroshock

I’m interested.

How much could I make as an average mountain man? :}


5 posted on 08/25/2007 5:40:45 AM PDT by labette
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To: Hydroshock

It sounds to me like everything is working well. The one guy used technology to solve his problem. The other started recruiting high school students. And low wages are going up.


6 posted on 08/25/2007 5:42:29 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: starfish923

I don’t think that’s what the sentence meant.

They won’t take $12 an hour jobs, because they can get a higher salary somewhere else.


7 posted on 08/25/2007 5:42:48 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Hydroshock

” 2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. “

Nobody talks about ‘cost push inflation’ because it’s scary, nasty stuff which can’t be addressed by minor manipulation of interest rates....

Our last experience with this was in the ‘70’s (remember ‘wage-price spiral’?) when the Fed’s solution was to raise interest rates dramatically enough to induce a recession....


8 posted on 08/25/2007 5:43:19 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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These problems will end when a workable program for legal vetted immigrants is started. It ain’t rocket science. Instead of building bridges to nowhere how about a system to bring decent people with no criminal record. Seasonal jobs should bring people in and when the job is over they go back. This country is not adverse to immigrant but we should shoot for the best. We have enough welfare recipients we don’t need to import them.


9 posted on 08/25/2007 5:43:51 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: mtbopfuyn
On the other hand ... Americans are pretty good at transplanting themselves to greener pastures.

If Geography and wise educating were actually practiced ... I think you might see inner city kids, feeling hopeless and forgotten, (isn't that the mantra ? ) opt to take a wise employer up on a 'Job Corps' type of offer, move their ambitious but idle asses out to the big sky country and LO! .. perhaps actually develop a taste for life and freedom and become productive members of this great land.

Or maybe the welfare system could get off their asses and turn loose the money needed for trasnsportation to and housing in these places that need workers.

Why do boot camps have to be chain gangs with D.I.'s ?

10 posted on 08/25/2007 5:44:51 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Uncle Ike

Yea I sure as hell remember that. That was the fix for having a moronic peanut farmer as president.


11 posted on 08/25/2007 5:46:09 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Hydroshock

A similar situation is developing nationwide.

We don’t have enough workers. The answer is to allow for more LEGAL immigration.

I don’t have much faith in the ability of our government to function in an efficient manner but we need to let in a bunch more LEGAL immigrants, from all over the world, not just Mexico.

Our country is great because of our immigrant past. And because it was hard to get here. Only the intelligent and hard working figured out a way to get here.

But we (the people) get to decide who comes, not those rushing the border.


12 posted on 08/25/2007 5:47:43 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: live+let_live

We need people enthusiastic about becoming Americans not ones who want to come here and turn it in their third world crap. If your religion is that adverse to our culture(pork and all) then keep your ass where you are.


13 posted on 08/25/2007 5:50:52 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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Agreed, that and we might not need as much as we have adn make sure they have some education.


14 posted on 08/25/2007 5:56:13 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: mtbopfuyn
I ran a biz in the 90's in Omaha when the unemployment rate was 2%. It is challenging. Offering more money does no good when there is no applicant pool. The market works and it is really interesting to see it, but it takes some time.

In 92 I advertised for a secretary at $6.00/hr and got hundreds of applicants because downsizing had put a lot of people out on the market. Two years later I needed a secretary and there were no applicants from any source. When I got a referral through an employee and I wanted to hire her, I asked her what she thought she was worth. She named a figure about 40% higher than she was currently earning. After checking her referances, that is what I offered her. but she turned out to be so good, that I was paying her another 30% more within a few months and glad to have her.

That whole experience left me convinced that high unemployment really comes from a shortage of entrepreneurship. Turn a bunch of middle managers lose from the phone company and some of them figure out that they will have to start businesses to get what they want. Then they hire the rest. Then, if you have Democrats in government, they will come after the businesses with their anti corporate populism and screw everything up again. Their focus on jobs ios less productive than it would be to develop entrepreneurs. The IRS is the main destroyer of entrepreneurs.

15 posted on 08/25/2007 5:59:12 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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A boss who insists on being a jerk in a tight labor market will find himself in a world of hurt.The days of BS and intimidation from managers are coming to an end.


16 posted on 08/25/2007 5:59:19 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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The answer to help waned ads that go unfilled is to up the wages offered, not to import cheap peon labor

The great financial bankers and captains of industry do not realize that if the public is to buy their products it must make enough money to afford them.

America did not become the greatest economic power in history by using slave labor. Slaves in early American history were economically possible only because they were used in a limited number of labor-intensive agricultural crops. Technology has since made even the use of slaves to pick crops unprofitable.

Remember that slaves were not used in the industrial North. Now the politicians want to use labor slaves in the U. S. It is not that Americans will not do the work that so-called immigrants do, but that Americans will not do the work at the level of wages paid to unskilled and uneducated Mexican illegal aliens.

Pay enough and all jobs will be filled. For the most part that has already happened that’s why the unemployment figures are at record lows.

17 posted on 08/25/2007 6:02:09 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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"I don't know what the answer is," Francis said. "There's just nobody around that wants to work."

No sir, everybody is working, in fact the 2% are probably working for cash.

Too much work for people to choose from... Man, America really does suck, don't it?

/s (did I need that?)

18 posted on 08/25/2007 6:02:12 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Along the way, younger people have moved away searching for bigger paychecks as the state's wages still lag behind other areas and are slowly increasing overall.

The answer seems obvious.

19 posted on 08/25/2007 6:02:48 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: starfish923

Well - I am wondering - even at 2.x % unemployment - that means SOMEONE is drawing an unemployment check...and probably other government benefits.

It is WAY PAST time for a crackdown on government handout recipients - if you don’t at least TRY to support yourself with the jobs that are available. Heck - I don’t even mind helping folks who cannot pay for basics with the jobs available. But as Rush is fond of saying - if you take a low paying job and prove yourself, you don’t stay in such low-paying jobs.

But this is lost on too many lazy, “I want a high paying-cushy job” to start off with people. AS long as there are jobs available and people on unemployment lists, government checks should be few and far between - thus there should be a lower tax burden, thus more money in the economy to fuel higher wages and investment, and so on...

But I guess I am just a mean old “conservative”...


20 posted on 08/25/2007 6:04:48 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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