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I have 2 things to say about this:

1. I expect to hear more of this from the OBL to try to get some amnesty.

2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. The free market cuts both ways.

1 posted on 08/25/2007 5:30:34 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12.

Or perhaps the word is out that he's a jerk as a boss?

2 posted on 08/25/2007 5:36:36 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Now, workers with more options in some places are unwilling to take $12-an-hour jobs.
Record low unemployment across parts of the West has created tough working conditions for business owners, who in places are being forced to boost wages or be creative to fill their jobs.

American workers seem to be spoiled a bit, don't they?

For the Welfarers-for-life, why work at all when the government takes care of them? There are generations of welfare lifers.

The answer is that the wages have to be high enough to lure workers to the snow country OR those business owners will have to move to where the weather is better.

Is there another answer that's practical?

3 posted on 08/25/2007 5:39:58 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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“The boss” can go haul his @ss down to the unemployment office and start looking for work like everyone else.

He has no right to continue a fail business by demanding anything from government, least of all changes in the law.


4 posted on 08/25/2007 5:40:05 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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I’m interested.

How much could I make as an average mountain man? :}


5 posted on 08/25/2007 5:40:45 AM PDT by labette
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It sounds to me like everything is working well. The one guy used technology to solve his problem. The other started recruiting high school students. And low wages are going up.


6 posted on 08/25/2007 5:42:29 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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” 2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. “

Nobody talks about ‘cost push inflation’ because it’s scary, nasty stuff which can’t be addressed by minor manipulation of interest rates....

Our last experience with this was in the ‘70’s (remember ‘wage-price spiral’?) when the Fed’s solution was to raise interest rates dramatically enough to induce a recession....


8 posted on 08/25/2007 5:43:19 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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These problems will end when a workable program for legal vetted immigrants is started. It ain’t rocket science. Instead of building bridges to nowhere how about a system to bring decent people with no criminal record. Seasonal jobs should bring people in and when the job is over they go back. This country is not adverse to immigrant but we should shoot for the best. We have enough welfare recipients we don’t need to import them.


9 posted on 08/25/2007 5:43:51 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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A similar situation is developing nationwide.

We don’t have enough workers. The answer is to allow for more LEGAL immigration.

I don’t have much faith in the ability of our government to function in an efficient manner but we need to let in a bunch more LEGAL immigrants, from all over the world, not just Mexico.

Our country is great because of our immigrant past. And because it was hard to get here. Only the intelligent and hard working figured out a way to get here.

But we (the people) get to decide who comes, not those rushing the border.


12 posted on 08/25/2007 5:47:43 AM PDT by live+let_live
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The answer to help waned ads that go unfilled is to up the wages offered, not to import cheap peon labor

The great financial bankers and captains of industry do not realize that if the public is to buy their products it must make enough money to afford them.

America did not become the greatest economic power in history by using slave labor. Slaves in early American history were economically possible only because they were used in a limited number of labor-intensive agricultural crops. Technology has since made even the use of slaves to pick crops unprofitable.

Remember that slaves were not used in the industrial North. Now the politicians want to use labor slaves in the U. S. It is not that Americans will not do the work that so-called immigrants do, but that Americans will not do the work at the level of wages paid to unskilled and uneducated Mexican illegal aliens.

Pay enough and all jobs will be filled. For the most part that has already happened that’s why the unemployment figures are at record lows.

17 posted on 08/25/2007 6:02:09 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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"I don't know what the answer is," Francis said. "There's just nobody around that wants to work."

No sir, everybody is working, in fact the 2% are probably working for cash.

Too much work for people to choose from... Man, America really does suck, don't it?

/s (did I need that?)

18 posted on 08/25/2007 6:02:12 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Along the way, younger people have moved away searching for bigger paychecks as the state's wages still lag behind other areas and are slowly increasing overall.

The answer seems obvious.

19 posted on 08/25/2007 6:02:48 AM PDT by Logophile
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I’m in the west too.. and I am seeing this all around me. I’ve been trying to tell people for a long time, raise your wages.. But its a hard sell.. because for an entire generation we haven’t seen wage increases at the low end in this country. So managers and owners have had more success when they just always keep wages at rock bottom levels.

But this time it really is different I believe. You are seeing government workers retiring, and the young generation getting into those high compensation jobs. Even though not all are getting those jobs it reduces the supply.. and arguably for the first time in a generation the supply and demand side is moving away from employers towards employees.

Which is a good thing. Because when supply gets on their side, employees make more money. With more money they can buy more things. Including American made products that cost a little more but are better quality.

For those managers and business owners its going to be a hard change, competing with each other for employees. Its a paradigm shift.. and I expect a lot of business to fail in the shift. I’ve already heard of restaraunts shutting down, because they simply can’t find staff, and aren’t willing to go above minimum wage.


23 posted on 08/25/2007 6:10:14 AM PDT by ran20
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"There's just nobody around that wants to work."

It's not that, John. It's, like Bush says-- We Americans just don't want to do any work that's...well...icky.

(Man, that George Bush--when it comes to enforcing America's immigration laws he's a piece o' work!)

(And his accomplices! Remember when this Chernoff character tried to sell us the snake oil that nobody can figure out how to build a fence on the Mexican Border south of San Diego?)

(Those guys are a hoot!)

(And we should give them the boot!)

24 posted on 08/25/2007 6:14:11 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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"There's just nobody around that wants to work."

It's not that, John. It's, like Bush says-- We Americans just don't want to do any work that's...well...icky.

(Man, that George Bush--when it comes to enforcing America's immigration laws he's a piece o' work!)

(And his accomplices! Remember when this Chernoff character tried to sell us the snake oil that nobody can figure out how to build a fence on the Mexican Border south of San Diego?)

(Those guys are a hoot!)

(And we should give them the boot!)

26 posted on 08/25/2007 6:16:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. The free market cuts both ways.

BINGO! I'd like to ask the "jobs Americans won't do" crowd if they would be willing to do their job for half as much. And if they say "no", then point out that they must give up their job to an illegal, as its a job that Americans won't do.

27 posted on 08/25/2007 6:17:17 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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I’d be more than happy to relocate to Montana or Idaho than stay here in the liberal land of Illinoi$.

Anyone out there looking for an electronic production engineer with 27 years of experience in CEM/EMS? Oh yeah... my wife would be happy to move there as well... she does accounting. Then there’s my brother who also works in electronic manufacturing.


28 posted on 08/25/2007 6:19:55 AM PDT by Outland (Liberalism is a mental disorder. Socialism is a deep psychosis. Communism is brain cancer.)
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For years, the resort has imported dozens of workers from Eastern Europe who often come as much for the summer recreation opportunity as the money. This year, however, that wasn't enough

There's no way I'm buying the the Eastern European labor pool has been tapped dry. There are hundreds of thousands --if not more young people all across the former communist states who would jump at the chance for seasonal labor at resorts in the US. Not just for the travel and recreation, but they could return to their home country with enough money saved that they need not work until the next season.

I'm guessing the problem lies with the State Dept. and not a shortage of willing applicants.

29 posted on 08/25/2007 6:20:09 AM PDT by Drew68
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I live in the west and did a little traveling this summer, there were "Help Wanted" or "Now Hiring" signs in EVERY establishment that we ate in. It didn't matter if it was fast food or a nice restaurant.
30 posted on 08/25/2007 6:20:17 AM PDT by tiki
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I find it very hard to believe that there aren’t highschool or college students who need part time jobs that would turn down a $10 hour job at MCDONALDS!!!


31 posted on 08/25/2007 6:24:43 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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“If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12.”

I hear what you are saying...BUT... I went to a subway this week, ordered a BMT. 2 weeks ago a BMT was $6.50, last week the price went up to $9.50. Complained to owner. He said he had to raise wages to $10/hour, and pointed out that he wasn’t in business to lose money. BTW, this was a Subway in a Wal Mart. (in Utah)

.....Bob


32 posted on 08/25/2007 6:26:59 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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