Help wanted ads go unanswered in West

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[davisfh]

I predict that these jobs will eventually go to the “nose ring - pierced brow” crowd. I can imagine few things more repulsive and disgusting.

[rb22982]

The retail company I work for has a really hard time hiring in quite a few cities/states these days—and we’re on the east coast & moving into the midwest.

[LaineyDee]

Yeah, I think the answer is to cut the welfare programs and that’ll force the leeches out to take up those jobs whether they want ‘em or not.

When Bush was gov of Tx, he instituted a 2 year rule. (no more generational welfare recipients) You have 2 years to get training and find a job... because the bennies get cut off after that.

If I'm not mistaken...I think you can break up the 2yrs into small increments if needed....but if you take the whole 2 years in one chunk, you're done. With all the college programs out there that will pay for low-income or minorities.... I can't think of one excuse NOT to have something after 2 years.

[KeyLargo]

More bull crap from the left and big business that want more illegal alien slave labor.

[Lokibob]

Let me throw something at you:

When I was young (100 years ago), I realized that I could not support a family on my salary. I was in the Army and salaries were really low.

Rather than putting my wife out to work, and letting the kids suffer, I took a 2nd job, minimum wage in the retail area equivalent to a “MCJOB”.

My logic was that not only was I making a few extra bucks, but since I was tied up 20 extra hours a week, I was not out spending money.

Now, do you suppose that the work ethic of the younger generation is so low that this logic is now flawed? Just asking, I have no idea...

....Bob

[EvilOverlord]

Yeah, I think the answer is to cut the welfare programs and that’ll force the leeches out to take up those jobs whether they want ‘em or not.

Agreed.

People on this thread keep talking about the free market that exists without illegals, but the market is not free as long as the government is paying people not to work. If businesses raise their pay to attract workers, who of course must come from other businesses, you'll end up with an artificially inflated pay scale (costs to business) because of government subsidies for those who don't wish to work.

If we as a society believe that we should embrace a little bit of socialism and create a safety net like welfare, that safety net needs to be cut off after a very short time. People will work when there's enough pressure to do so.

"You don't work, you don't eat" works. "You don't work, well, we'll pay you anyway" doesn't work.

[live+let_live]

If prices get too high in the legal market, a black market develops.

Think illegal immigrants working for cash in the underground economy.

Some jobs aren’t worth $12.00 dollars per hour yet still have a crying demand. That demand will be filled by the black market. Those immigrants will still be here, but they’ll be illegal. Which is exactly the situation we have today.

I’d rather these jobs be filled with legal immigrants who will become upstanding citizens and whose children will grow up to be doctors, and businessman, etc.

[stillonaroll]

The same is happening here but perhaps not that fast! I remember when paople didn’t eat away from home much and if they did they often carried something with them from home. We may wind up doing the same thing again. I admit that I got used to relatively low-priced eating places and I miss being able to eat out any time I felt like it but I realized that there had to come a time when the prices went back in line with other things. I ofter hear others say that they have almost stopped eating out because it costs so much more than a couple of years ago. Eating out was once a rare treat, it may be again.

Same thing here. The place I used to go to for lunch raised its prices. They will charge $6.50 for a tiny salad. The other nearby sandwich shops also raised their prices. Now, Mrs. Still packs a lunch for me most days.

For dinner, we are lucky if it's only $40 with tax/tip.

[lilylangtree]

I’ve gotta send this to some unemployed family members.

[TomGuy]

If he raised his wages from $8 to $10 an hour, does it take an employee more than an hour to make your sandwich?

No.

But there are other CODBs [costs of doing business] that you missed: utilities to light the building and run the freezers, utilities to heat the cooking units, utilities to keep the building cool in summer and warm in winter, franchise fees, business operation taxes, management salaries, insurances, building and parking lot maintenance, etc.

That $9.50 sounds high, but it pays for allot more than a kid to build you a sandwich. If that price is too high for you, go elsewhere. Or buy a loaf of bread (that is running well over $1.00 in any stores now, a packet of lunch meat, and build your own.

[VeritatisSplendor]

There is more than wages involved in a price increase eg:
materials (bread, meat, plastic wrappings, napkins
he has to pay a % of his profit to Wal Mart
Gasoline
__________________

His profit doesn’t increase if he has to pay higher wages, and neither do his materials (or only by a little - if his suppliers are paying higher wages too, still bread, meat, plastic and napkins are not labor-intensive).

There is just no way his costs went up by 45% on that sandwich (actually more, when you subtract his profit.)

Mrs VS

[Iwo Jima]

If anything, we have too many small businesses...

You have touched on something that I have been thinking for some months now. There are 20 McDonalds within 5 miles of my house. Of course I like the convenience, but I have never been in a McDonalds that was all that busy.

We may come to the realization that we could do with less locations that require less labor and can offer lower prices.

[TomGuy]

Baloney, I am sixty three and I work part time because I want to make a little extra, I could live without the part-time job but

How greedy!!!!

Do you realize how many poor illegals you are displacing??!!!???

LOL

[JasonC]

How spoiled? The average US worker makes $38000 a year, which is $19 a hour. Offer half the average wage for a crappy job, and why should you expect lots of takers? Kids starting out need such positions, sure. But most of us have much better things to do.

Incidentally, when I look at Craigslist for Wyoming, scads of wonderful positions are not the first impression. Lousy entry level, cold calling, work at home data entry, scams, and a few mid range positions offering under 50K for a perfectly tailored candidate in an obscure field - that's what I see.

Oh, and if instead you can translate Arabic, $175,000.

[Lokibob]

I felt sorry for the guy, but I told him in no uncertain terms that I was buying my last Subway, taking my business to another, better quality sub shop across the street.

BTW, I also wrote an e-mail to Subway international.

....Bob

[DCPatriot]

2. If no one will work for you for $10 an hour you might want to pay $11 or $12. The free market cuts both ways.

Taking jobs from Americans huh? /s

You just keep that head in the sand, Hydro. The 'shock' will be yours, not mine.

[JasonC]

McD's loses business not because of prices - they are quite low compared to scads of local cafes - but because they have mediocre food and the rest of the operation is worse. They put in internet - good idea - then don't let anybody on unless they pay - stoopid. They get better coffee - good idea - then make it once every two hours in a giant metal urn and let it get cold - stoopid. They want to keep the place clean - good idea - so they use plastic furniture that looks like a kid's swing set - stoopid.

[live+let_live]

“2 weeks ago a BMT was $6.50, last week the price went up to $9.50”

That my friend, is the definition of inflation. A sandwich is always worth a sandwich. But the value of dollars that you trade for the sandwich fluctuate.

Raise the price of the labor to make the sandwich and watch the value of the dollar drop.

And that is precisely why raising the minimum wage is a fool’s game. It does exactly nothing.

A + B = C. A is the price of labor. B is the value of a dollar. C is the cost of a sandwich.

A sandwich is always a sandwich (ie a constant) so if you raise A, B must do down.

[DCPatriot]

They won’t take $12 an hour jobs, because they can get a higher salary somewhere else.

BS. They won't take $12 @ hr. jobs because by the time they pay child-care, they're working virtually for nothing.

In Maryland we're seeing more and more seniors working behind the counters...or mopping floors.

[RetiredArmy]

Thus a call for more illegals to be allowed into the country to fill these jobs that no Amerikan would do. /sarcasm still on.