Posted on 08/05/2007 8:43:29 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
How the U.S. can avoid its own version of the fall of the Roman empire
That is, are we Americans, citizens of the mightiest empire the world has known since the days of the Caesars, living in the last days of our civilization? Is the United States, like the Western Roman Empire in the fifth century, doomed to collapse from its own decadence? Or can we avoid Rome's fate?
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How much affect do you think term limits and/or a set form of taxation (such as the Flat Tax or the Fair Tax) would have had on our progression through Sir Tyler's categories?
“Are we Rome?”
Better question: Is Rod Dreher a jerk?
I contend that once the political power of the ruling patrician class was neutralized by Augustus, they turned more towards the morally bankrupt lifesyles we think of when we picture the Roman Empire. Is there a parallel to modern US politics there?
When Rome fell, it sank into the depths of its own decadence and the horrors of the Dark Ages, but no great predatory power seized and subjugated the people who were foolish enough to let this happen.
Not so with the West today! Predators hover over the Western World right now--salivating over the prospects of vanquishing, devouring, and destroying its people.
Meanwhile, Leftists of the West, suffused with decay ripened by prosperity, revel in self-indulgence, including the indulgence of their petty vanities and foolish causes, blind to their own decadence, as their enemies become ever bolder and more assured of success in destroying them.
Middle America is the last great bastion of strength, health, and ascendancy in the Western World--the last great bastion of Western Civilization and the American Dream of universal liberty, justice, and prosperity for all the people of the world. The decadent Left is the greatest threat to all this--and the greatest asset to the enemies of the American Left and Western Civilization.
The Left is decadence. The "Mainstream Newsmedia" is its propaganda machine. The Democrat Party is its political machine.
Rome had its own barbarian horde invasion. We went to the beach yesterday and saw how the barbarian invasion of America has reached into every corner of this nation. The beach from my youth is gone. This may as well be a slum beach in Mexico or Honduras.
Er, you probably wouldn’t have wanted to live in pre-Christian Rome. In fact, if you were ill, poor, a slave, young, old, not from a good family, or from a good family that had fallen out of favor, or in any way vulnerable, you probably wouldn’t have wanted to live in pre-Christian Rome. One of Rome’s problems was the disloyalty of some of its subjects (slaves, in particular) because of the harsh treatment they received.
Christianity did not destroy Rome. Depopulation (at least in part related to the infanticide you seem to admire so) and lack of loyalty, as well as an increasing distance from its vision, were what weakened Rome and made it vulnerable to attack from the much more aggressive tribes to the north.
The good part of Rome - mostly, its legal system - was actually preserved by Christianity.
Yes. And the Roman Empire deteriorated fast. Caligula ("Little Bootsie", their pet name for him--he was sooooo popular at first!) was the third emperor. His predecessor, Tiberius, was the second--and he was horrible.
“Are We Rome?”
No, your Dallas.... I know it is a sh!tty little town, smack dab in the middle of nowhere... perpetually stuck with bad weather and a snobby class from Highland Park that would make a Malibu Prude puke.... you are not Rome... that is just the stink of Deep Elem you smell.
Now you listen to me! I did not have sex with that woman! .........
ummmmm, ... uh oh, ...
Look at history. In the last 10 Presidential terms, Republicans have held 7. Also remember from 1900-1950 the top three parties were Reps, Dems, and socialists.
“”””How much affect do you think term limits and/or a set form of taxation (such as the Flat Tax or the Fair Tax) would have had on our progression through Sir Tyler’s categories?”””
No way to know. Our forms (plural) of Government have become far too complex - neighborhoods, towns, counties, states and Federal. Where did it begin and where does it end? We are taxed into submission and reduced to standing around (Katrina)waiting for the mayor, the Governor and the President to make decisions for us - only because we have been coerced and controlled into believing that we are helpless children.
What happened to American dignity, honor, and ingenuity?
yes, we are Rome. we are falling. we will not stand.
One of the big differences between the US and Rome, which few people note, is that the US has NEVER had an empire - in the sense of colonies, possessions, etc. Rome had an empire, Spain had an empire, and England had an empire.
But the US had a few little tiny possessions, most of which we got rid of as soon as we could.
Our “empire” was mostly countries who wanted to follow us because they liked our example. They wanted to be considered a friend of the US because that meant that they, too, were in favor of personal liberty, the rule of law, and private property and enterprise.
I was just in Europe and they were all clucking their tongues and saying it was the “end of the US empire.” My question to them: What empire?
It was a voluntary empire, and if people have abandoned it, it is because they have abandoned the ideals, and this does not bode well for the world.
Rome fell because yhe Romans brought in ethnically incompatible workers from all over the empire to ‘do the jobs that the Romans did not want too’. The empire fell because the society came to be dominated by a very different people to those who formed the Republic. This is very similar to what is happenning in the modern West, including America.
Rome fell because yhe Romans brought in ethnically incompatible workers from all over the empire to ‘do the jobs that the Romans did not want too’. The empire fell because the society came to be dominated by a very different people to those who formed the Republic. This is very similar to what is happenning in the modern West, including America.
Rome fell because yhe Romans brought in ethnically incompatible workers from all over the empire to ‘do the jobs that the Romans did not want too’. The empire fell because the society came to be dominated by a very different people to those who formed the Republic. This is very similar to what is happenning in the modern West, including America.
Rome did not fall. They changed the venue. Rome is still here.
With all the ABORTIONS and PORNOGRAPHY, especially CHILD PORNOGRAPHY and GAY PRIDE and RIGHTS, we seem almost as bad as Sodom and Gomorrah.
Someone post the “headache guy” with the “Not this BS again” tag! Please!!
LLS
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