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1 posted on 07/23/2007 10:47:03 AM PDT by newgeezer
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The ultimate symbols of black athletes in our society used to be men of substance and positive image

And Hollywood used to be full of heroes instead of spoiled brats.

2 posted on 07/23/2007 10:52:02 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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Bump!!!


3 posted on 07/23/2007 10:53:45 AM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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The only thing in this column that I really disagree with is that he praised Curt Flood. *sigh* The man that ruined baseball.


5 posted on 07/23/2007 10:54:25 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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“Say wha... ?”


6 posted on 07/23/2007 10:54:54 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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The problem is the hijacking of African-American culture by the hip-hop generation that has helped glorify every rotten, foul and disgusting racial stereotype it took generations to eradicate.

The minstrels used to show up in black face, shuckin' and jivin' like Amos and Andy or Stepin Fetchit. Now they come in baggy pants sagging over their butts, glamorizing thug life and prison fashion, legitimizing derogatory racial insults into the mainstream, and convincing an entire generation that this is the measure of true blackness and anyone who bucks this system is either a racist, hopelessly out of touch or a sad Uncle Tom.

Telling it like he sees it.

7 posted on 07/23/2007 10:55:18 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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As improbable as it might sound, technically, there's a possibility that Vick actually could own a house, rent it out to his relatives and be dumb or naive enough to not know that there was a dog-fighting enterprise going on in the back yard.

This is more likely than Barney Frank not knowing a prostitution ring was operating out of his house while he was living there.

8 posted on 07/23/2007 10:55:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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Jim Brown????


9 posted on 07/23/2007 10:55:30 AM PDT by DOGEY
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The problem is the hijacking of African-American culture by the hip-hop generation that has helped glorify every rotten, foul and disgusting racial stereotype it took generations to eradicate.

BUMP for the truth.
10 posted on 07/23/2007 10:55:59 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Press 1 for English, press 2 for deport)
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The problem is the hijacking of African-American culture by the hip-hop generation that has helped glorify every rotten, foul and disgusting racial stereotype it took generations to eradicate.

This guy gets it. Although I think that problems were there prior to the advent of the hip-hop generation. The culture needs to fix itself. White people aren't hurting blacks and white folks can't help blacks very much either. They have to choose to help themselves.

I predict it will take at least two more generations. Probably more.

11 posted on 07/23/2007 10:56:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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Another person making excuses for Michael Vick?

Thankfully, thats decreasing with each passing hour.


12 posted on 07/23/2007 10:56:59 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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Well, I can't just sit here and hold my tongue any longer as I see a patently unfair media fed mob ready to convict this guy without really thinking over all the possibilities.

Yes, it's kind of hard to deny that Vick had a hand in the killing of these dogs, but did you ever stop to think "What did these dogs do to Mike Vick?"

What if those dogs were barking all night keeping him up before a big game or practice?
What if those dogs peed on the rug?
What if they just wouldn't stay off the furniture?
There's a million things that could have gone on that would totally justify (or at bare minimum seriously mitigate) his actions.

I say we give this unbelievable athlete his day in court before crucifying him without knowing the facts.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

14 posted on 07/23/2007 10:57:01 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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I wasn’t aware there was a “black perspective” on the taunting and murdering of dumb animals. Huh. Now I know.


16 posted on 07/23/2007 10:58:13 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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It's the gangsters on the corner who are killing black folks. It's the idiots who are on TV rapping about it and glorifying it. We have to make black people understand those are the real sellouts, not the ones who refuse to accept it."

I appreciate what this man has said. But there are sellouts that he did not mention, not just the gangstas on the corner, but the race pimps and hustlers such as Jackson and Sharpton found not on the street corner but anywhere there might be a television camera. If and when the common sense stated here by these journalists, starts being repeated in the MSM by African Americans both self-proclaimed and MSM selected to speak for Black America, then the tipping point will have been met and things will be going in a productive direction.

17 posted on 07/23/2007 10:59:35 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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I think we also need to include Chris Vermin and his cohorts at ESPN (among others) who have transformed sports from “who’s best” to “who’s now,” whatever the he!! THAT’S supposed to mean.

It’s not enough to try to win, you have to do it while “stylin’ and profilin’” so you can get your face time on the sports highlight shows. They’re turning EVERY sporting event into a WWE-style spectacle.

20 posted on 07/23/2007 11:04:54 AM PDT by ssaftler (Beware the Reverend L. Ron Gore and his Church of Climatology.)
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“was allowed to turn into just another unfortunate mug shot and potential ruined life?”

How about that he put himslef in that position?


24 posted on 07/23/2007 11:09:17 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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Bryan Burwell should write one of these essays about rapper idol Snoop Dog. One week, he is being interviewed on a red carpet. He is holding two dog leashes attached to two teenaged girls (One Asian one white) who are wearing sadism outfits and dog collars. Next week, he and Lee Iaccoca are wearing matching Perry Como sweaters and shilling for Chrysler.

The black Americans are taking all the victories of people other than themselves, since it’s been quite a long while since anyone bothered to start racial trouble, and they are throwing it all away by the fistfuls. Black “culture” is Nat King Cole and Jackie Robinson and Arthur Ashe and the Tuskegee Airmen.

Thugball players, rappers, “activists” and convicts are what we’re left with now.

27 posted on 07/23/2007 11:15:21 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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For contrast, look at Vick’s back-up. Harrington may not have the natural talent but he’s a stellar citizen and works as hard as anyone in the league. Night and day difference between the 2.


32 posted on 07/23/2007 11:17:31 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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Could this author even imagine another reason? IF he was involved, I can understand where Vick was coming from. I grew up in Southern Louisiana where cockfighting was and will be legal until sometime next year. I’ve been going to cockfights since I was little, it’s part of my culture and a part that I embrace.

So what does that say about me? That I’m crazy? That I’ll move to people next? Absolutely not, and why should it. I don’t personify animals, there is no confusion between who is what. Animals don’t have rights to violate, people do and when one knows the difference I don’t see any problem with people fighting animals. Yes it’s senseless entertainment but so is going see some action flick, and I don’t see a moral difference between the two.

I’ve never been to a dog fight but I knew where they were taking place. Honestly the only thing that stopped me from going was the fear of getting arrested. Who knows, I might have been turned off by it but by no means does that imply I would support violating a persons right to do it.

This is an issue about individual rights. Dogfighting does not violate anyone’s and any law that would punish a person for action that does not violate another person’s rights is immoral.

That said, if the NFL has some inside rule banning dogfighting then Vick might have violated his contract there and should be punished, but within the NFL.


34 posted on 07/23/2007 11:20:23 AM PDT by Raymann
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Just out of curiosity-did Vick grow up in a “fatherless” household, or was his dad around?


36 posted on 07/23/2007 11:23:37 AM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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Vic Shoes. Comfy, For when your dogs are barking.


37 posted on 07/23/2007 11:23:53 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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