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Vick is latest to take rap for the rap in our culture (a black perspective)
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 07/20/2007 | Bryan Burwell

Posted on 07/23/2007 10:46:58 AM PDT by newgeezer

All the breathless debates about Michael Vick are missing the point. The bigger issue has nothing to do with whether or not he deserves the right of due process, or whether NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell should suspend him, or whether Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank should enable him or give him tough love. It's not even about whether ... Nike should be launching another designer shoe with his name on it.

All of those are minor distractions from ...:

How did someone like Michael Vick ever come to exist?

Are we really ready to have that conversation? Do we dare explore how a young man of such unique athletic gifts and such obvious on-field marketing appeal was allowed to turn into just another unfortunate mug shot and potential ruined life? How did that remarkable athlete get a $100 million contract with the Falcons, become Nike's poster boy, rake in endorsements ..., then find himself on the verge of blowing it all because of an incredible tale that seems to come straight out of some hardcore gangsta rap video?

... The ultimate symbols of black athletes in our society used to be men of substance and positive image. Men with social conscience and resolve such as Jackie Robinson, Curt Flood, Jim Brown, ... They carried a burden and deep-rooted responsibility to portray themselves with a sense of dignity, pride and purpose. Even ... rebels such as Muhammad Ali ... stood for something more meaningful than a multimillion-dollar shoe deal.

But somewhere between Jackie Robinson and Michael Vick, ... "Street cred" became the anthem of the modern black athlete, this misguided notion that the only way to appeal to the young demographic of the sneaker-buying public was to adopt the negative attitudes of the thug life popularized by black hip-hop/gangster rappers. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: black; blackculture; character; dogfighting; hiphop; michaelvick; rap; rappers
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Good article but sometimes a punk is just a punk.


21 posted on 07/23/2007 11:06:41 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: Badeye
Another person making excuses for Michael Vick?

That's not how I read it at all. But, now that you mention it, I can see how one might.

22 posted on 07/23/2007 11:06:54 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Read the indictment here then reconsider.....
23 posted on 07/23/2007 11:09:06 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: newgeezer

“was allowed to turn into just another unfortunate mug shot and potential ruined life?”

How about that he put himslef in that position?


24 posted on 07/23/2007 11:09:17 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I wasn’t aware there was a “black perspective” on the taunting and murdering of dumb animals. Huh. Now I know.

I guess I can see how you might see it that way but, I read it as a "black perspective" on the rotten black culture that produces and promotes the likes of Michael Vick.

So very sorry if he/I/we/anyone neglected to pay proper respect to the poor animals involved.

25 posted on 07/23/2007 11:10:14 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
For reasons other than yours, I say allow him his due process rights in court.

No one said they wanted to deprive this guilty bastard his due process rights.

26 posted on 07/23/2007 11:12:39 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: newgeezer
Bryan Burwell should write one of these essays about rapper idol Snoop Dog. One week, he is being interviewed on a red carpet. He is holding two dog leashes attached to two teenaged girls (One Asian one white) who are wearing sadism outfits and dog collars. Next week, he and Lee Iaccoca are wearing matching Perry Como sweaters and shilling for Chrysler.

The black Americans are taking all the victories of people other than themselves, since it’s been quite a long while since anyone bothered to start racial trouble, and they are throwing it all away by the fistfuls. Black “culture” is Nat King Cole and Jackie Robinson and Arthur Ashe and the Tuskegee Airmen.

Thugball players, rappers, “activists” and convicts are what we’re left with now.

27 posted on 07/23/2007 11:15:21 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: newgeezer
It's a good article about the culture, it's a shame the piece got that title. Editors can be pretty dumb.

It's a shame this article will never be taken to heart by the people being discussed.

28 posted on 07/23/2007 11:15:32 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: Owl_Eagle
I do hope you're being sarcastic.

Carolyn

29 posted on 07/23/2007 11:15:58 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: DOGEY

Uh, yeah...didn’t he used to throw women off motel balconies?


30 posted on 07/23/2007 11:17:03 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The truth about men who watch or set up dogfights.......they can't get it up !)
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To: Ben Mugged
I don't think it's fair to try to glean a full understanding from a stale document full of legalize.

Before you criticize dog fighting, you should really attend one, and then you can judge.

Dog fighting has a long and colorful history, dating back to ancient times. Several breeds have been specifically bred to take part in this fine blood sport.

It’s hard to describe the pomp and circumstance, the pageantry that surrounds a dog fight. Walking through the streets of North Philadelphia, the broken glass crunching under your feet, the frenzied dogs barking and spewing saliva in the back seats of cars, the smell of marijuana wafting through the air. It excites all the senses.

There’s nothing in this world like seeing a couple of pure bred, well trained, athletically gifted dogs rip each others flesh, the sinewy muscles torn to shreds. I remember once a Pit bull locked on to the leg of a Staffordshire bull terrier and actually snapped the humerus. The audible sound of that break and the accompanying roar of the crowd still gives me goose bumps.

Dog fighting is enjoyed throughout the world spanning so many cultures. Japan, Russia, Latin America, Pakistan, China, Afghanistan (in fact, the revival of dog fighting following the fall of The Taliban is the greatest, most unreported accomplishment of our brave fighting men and women), and even the United Kingdom all have vibrant, active dog fighting scenes.

Again, maybe we’ll have to agree to disagree, but it’s a matter of personal taste. I really would recommend you attending a dog fight (there are several events scheduled just about every weekend) before you turn your nose up at this wonderful sport.

(are you sad or angry yet? You prolly should be.)

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

31 posted on 07/23/2007 11:17:17 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: newgeezer

For contrast, look at Vick’s back-up. Harrington may not have the natural talent but he’s a stellar citizen and works as hard as anyone in the league. Night and day difference between the 2.


32 posted on 07/23/2007 11:17:31 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: RexBeach
Was pro-Nixon because Nixon promised him he'd be strong on black issues but parted ways when Nixon didn’t intervene on the behalf of Dr. King when Nixon was VP. I just know because I heard his widow on Costas the other night while I was driving out to the grocery. Apparently there is going to be a movie.
33 posted on 07/23/2007 11:19:41 AM PDT by TeddyIke
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To: newgeezer

Could this author even imagine another reason? IF he was involved, I can understand where Vick was coming from. I grew up in Southern Louisiana where cockfighting was and will be legal until sometime next year. I’ve been going to cockfights since I was little, it’s part of my culture and a part that I embrace.

So what does that say about me? That I’m crazy? That I’ll move to people next? Absolutely not, and why should it. I don’t personify animals, there is no confusion between who is what. Animals don’t have rights to violate, people do and when one knows the difference I don’t see any problem with people fighting animals. Yes it’s senseless entertainment but so is going see some action flick, and I don’t see a moral difference between the two.

I’ve never been to a dog fight but I knew where they were taking place. Honestly the only thing that stopped me from going was the fear of getting arrested. Who knows, I might have been turned off by it but by no means does that imply I would support violating a persons right to do it.

This is an issue about individual rights. Dogfighting does not violate anyone’s and any law that would punish a person for action that does not violate another person’s rights is immoral.

That said, if the NFL has some inside rule banning dogfighting then Vick might have violated his contract there and should be punished, but within the NFL.


34 posted on 07/23/2007 11:20:23 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: dblshot
Good article but sometimes a punk is just a punk.

I think the article is less about punks being in professional sports and more about our society's decline into idolizing the punks.

The author has a great point, but one that can be expanded out of the racial arena as well. Think about it. In the 1950's, who were the sports idols? Rocky Marciano, Bill Russell, Mickey Mantle, Johnny Unitas, etc.

Yes, some of these guys had their problems, but how do those problems compare to their current counterparts of: Mike Tyson, Kobe Bryant, Barry Bonds and Michael Vick.

Somewhere along the way, professional sports became MUCH more interested in the bottom line than in the box score.

35 posted on 07/23/2007 11:21:04 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: newgeezer

Just out of curiosity-did Vick grow up in a “fatherless” household, or was his dad around?


36 posted on 07/23/2007 11:23:37 AM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: newgeezer

Vic Shoes. Comfy, For when your dogs are barking.


37 posted on 07/23/2007 11:23:53 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: mrmargaritaville

His dad was around off and on. His mother later remarried.


38 posted on 07/23/2007 11:25:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
The problem is the hijacking of African-American culture by the hip-hop generation that has helped glorify every rotten, foul and disgusting racial stereotype it took generations to eradicate.

I'm gonna bump it again.

I was surprised when I moved to Iowa to see the black kids as ghettofied as the ones on the east coast. I've since learned that many of them are transplants from Chicago and they've brought their Chicago hip hop culture with them.

Maybe I'm getting old, but these kids are embarassing. They are the only loud ones on the bus and they curse in front of anyone. It used to be a guy would forget himself and say something wrong in front of women and his buddies would call him on it. Not anymore. As a black woman in a mostly white environment, I am embarased for the race when these kids are on the bus with me.

I guess the old lady part of me is thinking, they have everything here - safety, good schools, a pleasant environment in which everyone gets treated well from what I've seen, and they continue to act out the worst aspects of ghetto culture. I refuse to call it 'black culture,' since I know many black people who wouldn't dream of acting this way.

39 posted on 07/23/2007 11:26:50 AM PDT by radiohead
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To: Ben Mugged

The LEFT doesn’t want us to have heroes. Heroes stand out from the precious collective. People follow heroes.

That’s very dangerous to a rag-tag collection of metrosexuals, feminazis, felons etc.


40 posted on 07/23/2007 11:27:16 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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