Posted on 07/11/2007 4:12:46 PM PDT by goldstategop
RUSH: Now, this David Vitter thing. Have you noticed...? You know, we have Larry Flynt out there now, and Flynt is taking credit here now for outing David Vitter, and Flynt says, "Well, we're going to find some Democrats in this list, but probably we'll throw 'em back in the river, because Democrats are not hypocrites on this. Democrats are not out there talking about moral values." Well, that may be true, and I'm not naïve and I understand this, but I gotta tell you something. Have you noticed when Democrats have sex outside of marriage, even with interns, it's no big deal? In fact, it's a résumé enhancement! You have the thing going on with the mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom. You have the mayor of Los Angeles, and Bill Clinton. The list is long. This stuff happens on both sides of the aisle. However, when Republicans engage in sex outside of marriage, why, it's a huge story! Look, Clinton is the Democrats' big man on campus. The mayor of LA is still said to be unbeatable, a rising star. But David Vitter is today a slob. Well, frankly, folks, people that do this, to me they're all slobs. This talk about double standard? I know the Democrats don't out there and talk about family values.
Well, actually it's not even true to say that. After the 2004 election loss, they were wringing their hands (for a couple days) over what they were going to have to do to get the values voters because the exit polls show that the values voters did 'em in. So they're out there making moves. They have this new guy Drew Westen, who's trying to teach 'em how to speak again. By the way, George Lakoff (rhymes with)... Speaking of which, I had the most unbelievable e-mail. "Rush, what does Lakoff rhyme with? I don't get the joke." Uh, needless to say, folks, I did not reply. It's one of those that if you don't get it, go ask your mom. No, don't do that! Never mind. (laughs) Don't. If you don't get it, just ask somebody. Ask your dad. Ask your dad. Call Clinton's office. (sigh) That's the way to get the answer. So anyway, they're out there. They make this now-and-again push for "values" now and then, and the mayor of Los Angeles, Villaraigosa says, "I want my privacy. I ask that you will leave us alone. My family and I will to deal with this in private," and the media, all say, "Of course! Why, we understand the need for privacy in the circumstances like this." But here's the thing: these people take marriage vows, too.
Are their marriage vows worthless? If they don't mean it when they take the vow, I assume their oaths are worth nothing as well. And, look, the libs are out there calling for gay marriage, are they not? And, why? "Well, because of the strength of commitment, love is love, and we cannot deny love, anybody who finds it anywhere," aand we're gonna redefine what the family is. All of these sorts of things. They talk about the importance of commitment, and they say, "I know a lot of gay marriages that have a stronger bit of commitment than some heterosexual marriages." They're talking about the commitment and they're talking about the vows and all these sorts of things. But when it comes to the Clintons, "What commitment?" If marriage is important -- and for some people, it is -- then if they don't honor it, they can't simply say, "We don't hold ourselves to a higher standard." What higher standard? You took a vow. You claim marriage is important and then you violate those things, you shouldn't get a pass, but they always get a pass. They should all be treated like Vitter is. I'm not arguing for Vitter to be ignored and so forth, but, anyway, these little things just irritate me now and then. BREAK TRANSCRIPT
This is Jed in Biloxi, Mississippi. You're next, sir. It's great to have you on the program.
CALLER: Hey, mega dittos, Rush. You're the greatest. You're the greatest.
RUSH: Thank you.
CALLER: Listen, I'm from Louisiana, and a big support of David Vitter, a great Republican, you know, he was an up and rising star I guess the Republican Party. And, you know, I'm not one of these people that gives 50 or a hundred bucks to campaigns. I'm giving thousands of dollars to Republican candidates in the state, and I'm so disgusted right now. My question to you is -- and I want to do this but I'm going to hold off because you always hold off when you're aggravated -- should I ask for my money back or stick with a friend in time of need? What do you think?
RUSH: (chuckles)
CALLER: (chuckles)
RUSH: You know, I am not your conscience.
CALLER: (chuckles)
RUSH: I am not (interruption). Now, what are you...? Snerdley, you think I'm backing out here? I am not copping out! Snerdley thinks I'm copping out. You're not going to get your money back anyway. They won't give it back to you.
CALLER: (laughing) I've been told that already. But I could raise a fuss, you know, if I wanted.
RUSH: Well, you gotta weigh some things here. You have to weigh some things in making your decision. Let me walk you through your decision. You've got Vitter. Do you like his work? Do you like what he's done as a senator? Do you like the position he had on illegal immigration for example?
CALLER: Yes, he voted against the bill. Yeah, he's a good conservative. He's a great conservative. I know him. He's a great guy.
RUSH: Is he human?
CALLER: Yes. Yes, he is.
RUSH: Yeah. So that means everybody as a human being commits sin. We've all done it.
CALLER: Yes, that's right.
RUSH: Okay. So boils down to whether or not you want to get mad at him for being a hypocrite.
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: Do you want to let Larry Flynt determine who your senators and congressmen are?
CALLER: Oh, God, no!
RUSH: Well, you remember the name Bob Livingston?
CALLER: Of course I do.
RUSH: Well, what --
CALLER: Of course I do. He blew it, being speaker of the House.
RUSH: What did we get out of that deal? Here you've got Bill Clinton torquing interns in their in the Oval Office. Livingston comes out and says what he says, and he resigns. None of the Democrats ever resign. They get résumé enhancements. The Republicans do a good enough job of shooting themselves in the foot as it is, without this stuff coming up every now and then. I think life would be nothing without understanding and forgiveness.
CALLER: Well, you don't make decisions when you're aggravated and I'm going to hold off for a while, but I'm really scared to death of the Republican Party now, and also you get Republicans in the State Republican Committee people asking for his resignation. I mean what -- what -- what...? Democrats don't ask for that. Like you said, they don't ask for resignations.
RUSH: Of course not. They're résumé enhancements. They're résumé enhancements for these guys. They can kill women and rise to the highest reaches of the United States Senate!
CALLER: That's right. They do. It's frustrating as hell. It really is. I'm not going to ask for it back. I'm going to hold off for a while.
RUSH: Look, the point is, there's a double standard out there. Everybody gets married takes a vow, Republican and Democrat alike -- and the Democrats keep talking about commitment, commitment, commitment, when they start talking about gay marriage, for example. "Gay marriage! We gotta have gay marriage. People who are committed to one another, we must make that possible for them to cement their vows under the eyes of the law," blah, blah, blah.
Okay, fine. They take vows, too. If they violate their vows, nothing happens to them because they supposedly don't run around talking about family values and morality. So they get a pass? Because they don't talk about values and morality, they are free to be as perverted and depraved as they want with no consequences, but because Republicans do talk about morality and values, when they slip up, just like Democrats do, gone. "You hypocrite! You better get outta here! You're not worthy of our leadership." None of them are worthy of our leadership if we're going to judge 'em this way. So there's this double standard. We've sat around here and we've accepted this and we've taken it so long. What Vitter said is right. Just because he fell off whatever, just because he committed his sin, doesn't mean he doesn't know what sin is. It don't disqualify him from sitting in judgment over things that are right or wrong, because everybody makes mistakes. Hopefully you learn from them. But when you make a mistake, the left wants to disqualify you from having any say so in it anymore. Even worse than that, they say, "If you didn't sign up to go to the Army, you have no business talking about war! If you're not an astronaut, you have no business talking about the space program!" They're trying to shut us up. They're trying to stifle speech any which way they can. If we're going to willingly throw away our decent people over something that happens across the human spectrum, well, then we deserve what we're going to end up getting. Nobody can say they maintain the highest standard possible, I don't care if they are a preacher, I don't care if they are in the highest levels of whatever business is oriented around morality in this country; nobody is clean and pure as the wind-driven snow. I hope the answer helped.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
I think the only people who want to see Vitter out of office are people who don’t live in his state, in other words, their opinion doesn’t really matter.
EXACTLY.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Bumping what you said...
According to him he is. It's all in the definition of "moral standards" Read Flynt's twisted defense of having sex with animals sometime.
He says he adheres strictly to his own moral standards and by that measure it's ok that he had sex with a chicken. You read that right, a chicken.
When you go by "moral guide lines" that you have created yourself, anything is ok as long as you are true to your beliefs and not hypocritical about it.
Sick sick sick.
If you bill yourself as a conservative you don’t engage in extramarital sex with prostitutes or anyone.....you dont even let yourself alone in the presence of another woman if you are in politics...and if you are sincere then in all your life.
It’s just simple logic. Vitter clearly has or has none.
I am not supporting Vitter and his lame excuse no matter where he is from..he is no friend of conservatives..he is a major hypcrite.
“But conservatives - at least social conservatives, think that David Vitter is a tarnished man who needs to be punished for breaking his marriage vow. Never mind his solid conservative record!”
“Its not like he harmed any one else except himself and his family”
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With all due respect, this how liberals reasoned when Billy Boy was caught w/ the intern. It’s a private matter, look at all the good he did, and so on.
Social Conservatives take marriage vows more seriously than the Liberals and these are the consequences when a conservative commits adultery.
We do not want to become Liberals and David Vitter is not a victim anymore than DoughBoy was when caught w/ the intern.
Of Course Liberals get a pass - THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT MARRIAGE - and the solution is not “if you can’t beat, join ‘em”.
I’m with you, if his wife can’t trust him, how the hell can his constituents?
Agree....and he doesn't believe in "the Bill of Rights" and/or Gun Control either...*crickets*.... 8D
As a Louisiana resident, I'm pissed off at Vitter and SERIOUSLY disappointed in him.
But I'd still rather have Vitter than Landrieux or God forbid, Senator Nagin. I had a nightmare that if Vitter resigned, Blanco would appoint herself to the Senate, and resign the governorship, allowing Mitch Landrieux to run as an incumbent this fall against Jindal...
When I think about the possibilities, I find it pretty easy to forgive and support Vitter. I still think it would have been funny if he responded to the press simply by saying, "You should put yourself on a diet of oysters and Tabasco and see just how horny you get."
His constituents are going to have the say. However, if people behaved themselves, and lived up to their professed standards, blackmail wouldn't be an issue...
A 'mistake' is an error made unintentionally.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that Vitter 'mistakenly' patronized a brothel multiple times?
This isn't a 'mistake'. This is adultery.
I guess you have figured out that the proper way to deal with some other persons double standards is to adopt a few of your own.
And I'm sure your wife will think you just made a few 'mistakes' if she ever finds out you were banging whores.
Good luck with that.
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Good plan Rush, and the rest of the boys.
Let’s adopt liberals values - the heck with marriage vows or fidelity of any kind.
Good character means nothing to us.
Let’s all be libertines.
This is what a cartel as in this corrupt “Two-Party Cartel” gives you as leaders. Yes, we do have good people that will run but the corrupt national parties snuff them out. Case in point, there is no better man running for president than Duncan Hunter. Look how he is shut out.
“Have you noticed when Democrats have sex outside of marriage, even with interns, it’s no big deal? In fact, it’s a resume enhancement!...”
This is a tremendously important point, and while he said it in jest, among the left, it is *the* critical factor in their hierarchy. That is, what most people call “immoral” or “unethical” behavior. Education and talent don’t matter, nor does skill or experience. Perversion matters.
That is, you cannot become an important figure in the left unless you are somehow ‘soiled.’ You will not be accepted as “one of us” by them, unless in some serious way you are tainted.
The left actually does not trust *anyone* who is not corrupt! They hate and fear them.
Look at the Clinton administration. Everyone in their inner circle was morally crippled. Dick Morris, the toe sucker, for example. But one after the other, unless they were deviant, perverted, or twisted in some way, they could not be a real friend to Bill and Hillary. They would remain an outsider.
And it’s not just in politics, either. I remember the example of a nobody talking head at a local TV station, who was ignored until he was caught drinking in a motel room with two underage girls. The local station immediately fired him for breaking the law in several ways, but he was picked up in just a day or two for a job at his network on the coast. This promotion probably earned him a more than $100,000 per year raise! Suddenly he was one of their “top” people, a big name at a major TV station.
He was a nobody, until he was a pervert. Then in the left, he was somebody important, a person to be admired and respected.
So look at the rising stars among the left, who they really are and why they are rising stars. In the media and entertainment left, the people who rise to the top will have sex with anybody, and go out of their way to prove how perverse they are. It is a badge of honor with them. But it must also be seen as shameful in some way, or else it isn’t as “good”.
Actually, it is not funny, it is horrifying, how their standards are so turned around that they hate and fear those who are not perverse or corrupt. Note that they often rationalize that *everyone* is deviant, just that “moral” people hide it better. When they look at “moral” people, they think they see true evil, because they can’t see any evil.
Rush Limbaugh talks at length about how the left persistently tries to “define deviancy down”. This, too, is part of their bizarre and unwholesome philosophy: that only when we embrace all sick perversions, and they are seen as normal, will perversion cease to exist.
And only then will those on the left be able to look in the mirror and not feel deep, burning shame at their own failings.
Don’t forget Newsom. He was doing his best friend’s wife. Would you ever trust anyone who would prey on his best friend’s wife?That kind of guy doesn’t have friends - just marks.
Can Rush name a Republican candidate from the last 30 years who hasn't campaigned on "family values"? Talk is cheap. Anyone who tries to score political points with talk of family values and can't stop himself from buying sex from whores is a hypocrite and is going to make the front page.
Nobody ever goes, "Omygawd! Barney Frank is gay?!" because Barney Frank doesn't get up in front of big groups of people and rail against the "evils of homosexuality" like Ted Haggard did. If a conservative can't practice what he preaches, what the h--- good is he?
Anytime Hustler Magazine and a Republican Senator’s name appear in the same sentence, it can’t be good.
And what, exactly, are some people doing here by either trying to deflect attention away from Vitter ("Oh look! Clinton did it!") or authoring feeble apologetics ("It was just a few whores! He said he was sorry!")
I used to thing that "defining deviancy down" was something that conservatives cared about, but after reading a few of these Vitter threads, I'm starting to wonder.
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