Posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:01 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
He disappointed conservatives during his eight years in the Senate. Is there any reason to think this Washington insider and veteran trial lawyer would be any better as President?
The frustration of conservatives is understandable. Faced with the prospects of Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Mitt Romney as the next Republican presidential candidate, many are pinning their hopes on former Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee. Could this actor-politician be the new Ronald Reagan?
Mainstream media types assure us that he is. His record suggests otherwise.
This is the second time conservatives have pinned their hopes on Thompson. When he was first elected in the Republican sweep of 1994, he was seen then as the “new Reagan”—a charismatic movie star turned politician. Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole quickly picked Thompson to give the five-minute GOP rebuttal to President Clinton’s economic address, and no less than The New York Times swooned with its headline the next morning, “A Star Is Born.”
He turned out to be a shooting star—a dazzling flash in the sky, soon gone, not there dependably, night after night, like the Big Dipper. Or, as The Tennessean later put it, “A year ago [Thompson] looked like a rising star. Today he looks more like a fading comet.”
Especially to conservatives who have taken the time to examine his record.
Rumors circulated that Thompson was lazy, uninterested in the daily grind that comes with being a Senator—and one can understand that Capitol Hill is a lot more tedious and less glamorous than a Hollywood movie lot. More important were Thompson’s failures of will and his lack of leadership on any legislation that would promote the conservative cause. Instead what little leadership we got from Thompson advanced the liberal Establishment agenda.
Failure of will: Charged with investigating the Clinton White House’s Asia fundraising scandal (“Asiagate”), Thompson managed to draw a tiny blood sample from Bill Clinton but little more. If he’s that ineffectual against an easy target like Bill Clinton at the height of his parade of scandals, why should we expect Thompson to be any more effective against, say, the other partner in the Clintons’ 20-year plan to rule the nation?
On the wrong side of the fence: The McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill, championed by Fred Thompson, is the only important piece of legislation where he played a major role. And that is not an accomplishment to be proud of as a conservative. In fact, now that he’s running for President, Thompson is trying to flip-flop on this issue. Well, he can run, but he can’t hide from his record.
Why McCain-Feingold is so important—and so bad
Never mind that it was patently unconstitutional, as the courts are starting to declare. McCain-Feingold was also, from the beginning, a sham and a lie.
Its stated purpose—its claim to being a “reform”—was that it would take big money out of politics. Well, you can see how successful it’s been! The big corporate and union lobbies are more powerful than ever, and bored billionaires with nothing else to do are eyeing the Senate and the White House as the next trophies on their mantelpieces.
No, the real purpose of “reform” legislation like McCain-Feingold is to serve as incumbent-protection laws. Establishment politicians aren’t threatened by the K Street lobbyists: they feed off them. They are threatened by grassroots organizations that keep an eye on how they vote and pass that information on to their members.
From the National Rifle Association to the Sierra Club, from Right to Left, these groups call incumbents on the carpet. So the incumbents pass laws to restrict the activities of these groups.
McCain-Feingold, the most prominent recent addition to campaign regulations, does this by prohibiting these groups from broadcasting any issue ads that refer to specific candidates for federal office in the 30 days before a primary, or 60 days before a general election.
Why were those dates chosen? Because “that’s when people are most interested in the elections,” according to Congressman Martin Meehan (D-MA), one of the law’s most ardent supporters. In other words, McCain-Feingold and similar laws are intended to silence the voices of ordinary citizens who contribute to these organizations. And they are designed to do so at exactly the times when grassroots citizens can have the greatest impact.
The real purpose of McCain-Feingold-type laws is to silence your voice in the campaign process, by placing a gag on the organizations that represent you and your views. Such measures are the gravest threat to your free speech that exist today.
And who was the only other Republican Senator to join John McCain in pushing hard for this assault on your First Amendment free speech rights? Fred Thompson. Indeed, campaign finance “reform” was the only issue on which he seemed to show any passion.
Thompson was deeply involved in writing the law, lobbied for it among his fellow Republicans, and was even inclined to call it “McCain-Feingold-Thompson.” He and McCain were able to convince only five of their fellow Republicans in the Senate—but added to the Democrats, that was enough. “You were essential to our success,” Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) told Thompson in a gushing thank-you note after passage of McCain-Feingold.
Fred Thompson viewed through the Goldwater Test and the Reagan Test for conservative leadership
The Goldwater Test: Senator Barry Goldwater became the first political spokesman for the conservative movement because, out of all the Republican politicians who claimed to be conservative in the 1950s, he and he alone was willing to confront the sitting Big Government Republican in the White House. President Eisenhower’s policies were “a dime store New Deal,” he said on the floor of the Senate. He spoke truth to power.
Well, again we have a Big Government Republican in the White House, and now it’s no longer a dime store New Deal—it’s a supersized Wal-Mart of a New Deal. The Republican welfare state is far worse than anything the Democrats achieved.
And what has been Fred Thompson’s response these past seven years as the GOP massively expanded the federal government? If he’s said anything to warn us about the direction of the Republican Party, he’s said it so quietly that nobody—not just us, nobody—has noticed. And by his silence he has become complicit.
Thompson’s conservative leadership score on the Goldwater Test: F.
The Reagan Test: Throughout the 1960s and 70s Ronald Reagan walked with conservatives. He was at our conservative functions, and not just at the head table—he mingled with us, listened to our concerns, and made it clear where he stood. Also, our conservative friends were all around him as he governed in California and then ran for President—people like Dick Allen, Ed Meese, Lyn Nofziger, Marty Anderson, Paul Laxalt, Judge Bill Clark…and the list goes on.
Where are the long-time conservative activists today around Fred Thompson? Not campaign consultants who sell themselves to the highest bidder at campaign auctions. No, dedicated and recognized conservative thinkers and activists who will work only for truly conservative politicians.
Go ahead, try and name one. And if conservatives were not part of his inner circle before he started running for the presidency, we cannot expect him to have conservatives in his inner circle if he gets elected. And in politics, personnel is policy.
Thompson’s conservative leadership score on the Reagan Test: F.
Marshmallow Republicanism
When we look at the two politicians who are closest to Thompson—Howard Baker and Lamar Alexander—we can see very clearly why Fred will never be a conservative leader, much less a conservative hero.
Fred Thompson and Howard Baker are as intertwined as the two sides of a coin. Fred Thompson was Howard Baker’s campaign manager in his successful reelection campaign in 1972, after which the two were good ole’ Tennessee buddies. Senator Baker invited Thompson to move up north and be minority (Republican) counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee in its investigation of Richard Nixon.
Thompson, it is said, was the person who got Senator Baker to ask a Nixon aide: “What did the President know, and when did he know it?” The reply led to the discovery of the Nixon tapes, and that led to Nixon’s resignation. Almost sounds like something scripted in Hollywood or on the set of “Law and Order.”
Thompson and Baker are still good ole’ buddies today, with Baker urging Thompson to make this run for the presidency and playing a key role in its unfolding. Officially or unofficially, we could expect Howard Baker to play a key role in a Thompson White House.
And who, you ask, is Howard Baker? You belie your age, of course, by asking that, but even old folks may be excused for a little fuzziness on this matter. Well, Howard Baker was one of the chain of leaders of the liberal (Big Government) wing of the Republican Party. The order of succession was Nelson Rockefeller-Howard Baker-George H. W. Bush-George W. Bush. Because he never got to the White House as its #1 or #2 occupant, Howard Baker has sort of faded into history, but he was important in his heyday—and on the opposite side of the ideological fence from conservatives.
As Republican leader of the Senate, Howard Baker worked with President Carter to turn the Panama Canal over to the drug-running Panamanian dictatorship. He voted to spend taxpayers’ money for abortions. As a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 1980, he said Reagan’s proposed tax cuts were “a riverboat gamble.” You get the picture. And this guy is still Fred Thompson’s closest advisor.
As for Senator Lamar Alexander (who’s up for reelection in 2008), he’s cut from the same cloth as Baker and Thompson—talk conservative but act like a “moderate” (i.e., liberal); above all, avoid sharp ideological confrontation with the Democrats. “The conservatism he exemplifies…,” wrote Jonathan Rauch in Reason magazine, “is no longer a program. It is a style of talking.”
Like Thompson, Lamar Alexander got his first job in Washington from Howard Baker; and when Thompson dropped out of the Senate in 2002 to return to lobbying, trial lawyering, and show biz, Alexander replaced him.
But you don’t have to take my word for it, because Fred Thompson passes the Sally Quinn Test
Fred Thompson may get an F on the Goldwater Test and an F on the Reagan Test, but he gets an A on the Sally Quinn Test. And that tells us a lot.
Sally Quinn is a noted writer and the wife of Ben Bradlee, long-time editor of the Washington Post. You can’t get more to the center of the Liberal Establishment in Washington than this power-couple. And on June 26, 2007, she penned a telling bombshell in the Post on Fred Thompson.
Vice President Dick Cheney is “toxic” and “has the potential to drag down every member of the party—including the presidential nominee—in next year’s elections,” she advises, so the movers and shakers in the GOP must convince President Bush to force Cheney to resign.
“Until recently, there hasn’t been an acceptable alternative to Cheney…,” she admits. “Now there is.” (And by now you can guess who.)
“Everybody loves Fred,” gushes Sally. “He has the healing qualities of Gerald Ford and the movie-star appeal of Ronald Reagan. He is relatively moderate on social issues. He has a reputation as a peacemaker and a compromiser. And he has a good sense of humor. He could be just the partner to bring out Bush’s better nature…”
I had never known Sally Quinn to be so concerned before about the fortunes of the Republican Party, and I am shocked that she allows for even the possibility of a “better nature” in President Bush. Be that as it may, we can see what’s going on here. She rightfully sees Fred Thompson as a marshmallow—oops, I mean “peacemaker” and “compromiser.” As the sitting Vice President in 2008, he would have the inside track on getting the GOP nomination. And liberals could rest easy, knowing their power is safe whether the Democrat or the Marshmallow Republican wins in 2008.
Putting Thompson’s 8 years in the Senate under a microscope
I have examined Fred Thompson’s eight-year record as a Senator in detail, utilizing the vote ratings of the American Conservative Union (ACU) at www.acuratings.org. He emerges not as an out-and-out liberal, but not as a principled conservative either.
Fred Thompson’s record may appear to be “conservative,” but only by comparison with Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Mitt Romney, and a Less-of-a-Big Government Republican is still a Big Government Republican. And given his lack of conservative leadership as a Senator, it would be a grave mistake to expect conservative leadership from him as President.
For six of his eight years as a Senator, Thompson ranked in the bottom half of Republican Senators in terms of his commitment to conservatism. What makes this more remarkable is that he served as a Senator from Tennessee, winning his two elections by hefty margins. He didn’t have the excuse that his electorate was liberal, like the electorates of RINO Senators from Oregon, Maine, or Rhode Island. He had a safe seat with a conservative electorate. So when he voted liberal, we have to assume it’s because that’s what he believed.
Conservatives who look to Thompson for salvation need to pause and consider his record—a record that includes these votes:
♦ FOR restricting the rights of grassroots organizations to communicate with the public. See ACU’s vote 3, 1998.
♦ FOR allowing the IRS to require political and policy organizations to disclose their membership—a vote against the constitutional rights of free association and privacy. (The Clinton Administration used such IRS intimidation against conservative groups that opposed them.) See ACU’s vote 11, 2000.
♦ AGAINST impeachment proceedings against President Clinton, specifically the reappointment and reauthorization of managers (drawn from the Republican membership of the House Judiciary Committee) to conduct the impeachment trial in the Senate. See ACU’s vote 1, 1999.
♦ AGAINST an accelerated elimination of the “marriage penalty.” See ACU’s vote 10, 2001.
♦ FOR handouts to politicians, specifically taxpayer funding of presidential campaigns. See ACU’s vote 6, 1995.
♦ FOR handouts to politicians, specifically congressional perks such as postage and broadcast time funded by taxpayers. See ACU’s vote 13, 1996.
♦ AGAINST restraints on federal spending, specifically the Phil Gramm (R-TX) amendment to limit non-defense discretionary spending to the fiscal 1997 levels requested by President Clinton. See ACU’s vote 6, 1997.
♦ FOR affirmative action in federal contracts. See ACU’s vote 9, 1995.
♦ FOR the Legal Services Corporation, the perennial liberal boondoggle that provides political activism disguised as “legal services” to Democratic constituencies. See ACU’s vote 16, 1995, and vote 17, 1999.
♦ FOR an increase in the minimum wage, which, of course, increases unemployment among the young and poor. See ACU’s vote 16, 1996.
♦ FOR President Clinton’s nomination of Dr. David Satcher as U.S. Surgeon General. Among other things, Satcher opposed a full ban on partial-birth abortion. See ACU’s vote 1, 1998.
♦ FOR open-ended military commitments, specifically in regard to U.S. troops in Kosovo. See ACU’s vote 8, 2000.
♦ FOR corporate welfare, specifically the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC). See ACU’s vote 23. 1999.
♦ AGAINST worker and shareholder rights, specifically the Hatch (R-UT) amendment to require unions and corporations to obtain permission from dues-paying members or shareholders before spending money on political activities. See ACU’s votes 4 and 5, 2001.
♦ AGAINST property rights and FOR unlimited presidential power, specifically by allowing President Clinton to implement the American Heritage Rivers Initiative, which he established by executive order, without congressional approval. See ACU’s vote 20, 1997.
♦ FOR restricting the First Amendment (free speech) rights of independent groups. See ACU’s vote 23, 1997.
♦ FOR the trial lawyers lobby, and specifically against a bill that would put common-sense limitations on the medical malpractice suits that increase health costs for all of us. (Of course! He’s been a trial lawyer himself for some three decades.) See ACU’s vote 18, 2002.
And, last but not least:
♦ FOR limitations on campaign freedom of speech, by limiting contributions to national political parties to $2,000 and limiting the rights of individuals and groups to participate in the political process in the two months before elections. See ACU’s vote 7, 2002.
There you have it. The actor who talks like a tough conservative has, in his real political life, voted in all these ways to increase the power of the federal government, limit the rights of taxpayers and individual citizens, and shut grassroots activists out of the political process.
Ronald Reagan he is NOT!
Fred Thompson on abortion: pro-life, pro-choice, or both?
There’s a lot of confusion about where Fred Thompson stands on the abortion issue.
During his Senate years, the Memphis Commercial Appeal described him as “basically pro-choice on abortion,” The Tennessean described him as “a pro-choice defender in a party with an anti-abortion tilt,” and National Review deemed him to be “pro-choice.”
Yet his voting record as a Senator was solidly pro-life, earning him high marks on pro-life voting records and bottom-of-the-barrel ratings from abortion groups like Planned Parenthood. Leaders of social conservative groups like the Family Research Council, Christian Coalition, Concerned Women for America, and the Eagle Forum have had praise for his social-issues record.
How can this be? How can the conservative National Review and Tennessee’s leading newspapers describe him as “pro-choice” when his voting record is the opposite? The confusion results largely because Thompson takes—to use one of Washington’s favorite words—a “nuanced” position on abortion, and then sometimes compounds the confusion with conflicting statements. In addition, his role as a Washington Insider—a Washington lobbyist—raises disturbing questions that have not been answered satisfactorily by Thompson.
The federalism issue
One of Fred Thompson’s deepest held political convictions is his belief in federalism—that the federal government should stick to the powers granted it in the Constitution, leaving everything else to the states or the people. That’s great--if he actually voted as a federalist on the host of issues ranging from presidential power to education. The one area where he does take a pretty consistent federalist position, however, is on the abortion question.
“I’ve always thought that Roe v. Wade was a wrong decision,” Thompson says, and “that they usurped what had been the law in this country for 200 years, that it was a matter that should go back to the states. When you get back to the states, I think the states should have some leeway.”
Because he believes abortion essentially should be a state matter, not a federal matter, Thompson has voted repeatedly against federal funding of abortion in Department of Defense facilities and says he opposes public financing of abortions for low-income Medicaid recipients. The same federalist reasoning, however, is presumably what also leads him to oppose (in a Christian Coalition questionnaire) a constitutional amendment “protecting the sanctity of human life” as well as federal legislation “protecting the sanctity of human life.” I say “presumably” because Fred Thompson himself has never really explained his seemingly conflicted statements and positions on abortion in a comprehensive and logical way.
The conception issue
Thompson is not against abortion per se, since he says he doesn’t know whether life begins at conception. At least that was the position he took before he started running for President.
“I’m not willing to support laws that prohibit early term abortions,” he told the Conservative Spectator, a Tennessee newspaper, in 1994. “It comes down to whether life begins at conception. I don’t know in my own mind if that is the case so I don’t feel the law ought to impose that standard on other people.” “The ultimate decision on abortion should be left with the woman and not the government,” he told another newspaper. And in his Christian Coalition questionnaire, he penciled in: “I do not believe abortion should be criminalized. This matter will be won in the hearts and souls of the American people.”
Note that when he explained why he opposes Roe v. Wade on federalism grounds, he ended up saying: “When you get back to the states, I think the states should have some leeway.” “Leeway” obviously is code for “the states should allow some abortions.”
Thompson has, however, voted consistently against partial birth abortion. There’s no doubt that life has started in those late-term situations.
Fred Thompson the “conservative” politician vs. Fred Thompson the pro-abortion lobbyist
New information uncovered by the Los Angeles Times indicates that Thompson has lobbied on behalf of an abortion rights organization.
The official minutes of the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association (NFPRHA) document that the group hired Thompson in 1991 to try to influence the George H. W. Bush Administration to loosen the restrictions that prevented federal funding from going to clinics that engage in abortion counseling.
Thompson’s support for federal funding of abortion is vividly recalled by the President of the NFPRHA, Judy DeSarno; the Director of Government Relations, Sarah Szanton; and a member of the Board of Directors, Susan Cohen.
To be fair, Bush’s Chief of Staff, John Sununu, has denied ever talking to Thompson about abortion. That may mean that Thompson either spoke to other officials in the White House or took the NFPRHA’s money and did nothing for them.
Either way, that kind of behavior is inconsistent with principled conservatism.
What would he do about abortion as President?
He would personally rejoice if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, at least according to some of his statements on abortion. For the sake of argument, let us grant him that sentiment. But if vacancies occur in the court during his presidency, would he have the fortitude to nominate and fight for judges who share his federalist sentiments and on that basis vote to overturn Roe v. Wade? And would he do so particularly if he faced a Democratic Senate and House of Representatives, as seems likely?
Nothing in his past suggests that he would fight. The Nelson Rockefeller/Howard Baker/Poppy Bush wing of the party, of which Thompson is an integral part by virtue of the umbilical cord between Thompson and Baker, has always believed in accommodation rather than confrontation. You accommodate the Democrats, as Thompson himself did in his “Asiagate” investigation, and you can bet your entire rainy-day fund that the Democrats won’t accommodate a Supreme Court nominee who might overturn Roe v. Wade. Accommodation on this issue is a one-way street. Any accommodation would be done by President Thompson.
As far as other abortion-related politicking is concerned, there is nothing to suggest that abortion is a key issue anywhere near the top of Fred Thompson’s “to do” list. “We need to concentrate on what brings us together and not what divides us,” was Senator Thompson excuse, as told to The Tennessean. And later, when a pro-abortion group needed a Republican Insider to represent its views at the White House, we now know—from the minutes of the group’s meetings—who they turned to: Washington lobbyist Fred Thompson.
In short, a President Thompson would give pro-life conservatives some supportive rhetoric but little action. So what else is new?
The bottom line
Fred Thompson showed no conservative leadership in his eight years as Senator.
Fred Thompson was a key architect of one of the worst pieces of legislation in recent years—the speech-muzzling McCain-Feingold campaign finance law.
Fred Thompson cast votes in the Senate that increased the power of the federal government, limited the rights of taxpayers and individual citizens, and sought to shut grassroots activists out of the political process.
Fred Thompson fails the Goldwater Test with a grade of F: He did not speak out against the Republican Big Government rampage of the past seven years.
Fred Thompson fails the Reagan Test with a grade of F: He has never walked with us or surrounded himself with conservatives or fought our fights.
Fred Thompson has instead been a protégé of one of the icons of liberal Republicanism, Howard Baker, who continues to be his key advisor.
Fred Thompson plays a tough guy in the movies and on television, but in real life he is a marshmallow who would pose no threat to the Big Government Establishment that continues to dominate Washington.
Fred Thompson is, in fact, a Washington insider and part of that Big Government Establishment through his eight years as a go-along Senator and even more years as a trial lawyer and Washington lobbyist.
Fred Thompson is not the conservative leader we need.
For the past year, I have been preaching to conservatives that we should not align ourselves with those who have fatal flaws from a conservative perspective. The imminent entrance of Fred Thompson in the race doesn’t change a thing, for the reasons I have demonstrated here.
Conservatives, let’s keep our powder dry. The GOP has taken us for granted in supporting their political agenda. Conservatives should make candidates come to us, and let’s make them prove that they are worthy of our support.
I think I have a good idea already, thanks.
No use talking to the zealots.
Are you saying I'm a zealot?
I appreciate your posting this. I WANT to know the candidates and what they stand for. If he’s not the one, then we need to assess who would be the best.
In a way I was. I was in the first grade in the fall of '64 and we had a presidential election in our class. I voted for Goldwater and he won the vote in our class. That made me even more disgruntled and shocked when LBJ won the big election.
And given the likely Democrat opponents, I agree with you that the good will look even better and the electability of our guy will take center stage. But I do wish that my more obscure ideal candidate could get more of a hearing before the shadow of electability silences the discourse.
Hence the reason not to nominate Giuliani, who, being a liberal, does not appeal to conservatives.
“The WH may by God may not become RAT infested like it was in the 90’s; but Duncan wont have a personal role in that outcome. I bet a winning lotto ticket on it.”
Did I miss something? I don’t think Duncan Hunter could win a national election either, despite the fact that I like him and would vote for him. But I am a Fred supporter - for previously stated reasons.
Who knows, though, Duncan might cast that last hanging chad!
I agree that the candidate who raises the most cash is probably not necessarily the type of candidate we might, all other things being equal, actually prefer. Nevertheless, I have to disagree fundamentally. Candidates who raise the most money today are actually less beholden to special interests (compared to in the past) simply because they cannot raise much from any one source. In fact, it is actually quite impressive that GWB was able to raise so much from so many people (the GOP has been able to do the same in the past). He garnered over a million contributors (that may be overstating, but I know it was in the many hundreds of thousands), and the average donation was less than $100 if I am not mistaken. He was able to eschew the matching funds from the government and thus had no limits on media buys and advertising at any point in the campaign. Republican candidates really need that badly since they have no media friends. That is as strong a case for grassroots support as you can make. Romney and Guiliani are doing really well at this so far. It remains to be seen if Thompson can do the same. Regardless, while the current system blunts to a certain extent the influence of special interests, it leaves the candidate with the herculean task of being in constant money-raising mode - flying around to different events all the time at $1000 a plate dinners. And the effect on the mode and tenor of the campaign is pronounced because candidates have to be extremely careful how they say things to one group or another because they not only are faced with the prospect of losing a few votes, they are faced with the threat of missing out on a whole lot of contributions.
You can make the argument that in the past candidates would be more beholden to special interests because there was no limit on contributions from any one contributor. In an effort to decrease big money influence, Congress over the years has passed restrictions on campaign finance. I think they should not have done that but merely pushed for openness: make candidates declare who they got their money from and how much. Then the public can decide for themselves whether they trust the candidate and the benefactor supporting him.
And if you believe that Fred is different, and that he isn’t beholden to special interests, I respectfully disagree.
Every candidate is. If you were a candidate, you would be too. What we want to know is, who is it and how much influence, and can we live with it.
The only place we have a chance to change things is, IMO, in the primaries.
The primaries must be changed structurally first. There are too many, too tightly compressed, that if you don't have a ton of cash you will not be relevant because you won't be able to get your message out simultaneously in NH, SC, FL, AZ, NY, etc. All these states have moved their primaries up to be more relevant as a state in determining the nominee, and it has raised the stakes on raising alot of money for the campaign.
BTW, if Hunter was the nominee, I believe the GOP and the Republican voters would get behind him with the money he’d need.
Oh, I think if he were the nominee, he could count on alot of support, no doubt. But if you remember, Bob Dole was the nominee but spent all his cash getting the nomination locked up. He had it locked up by late February or late March, I can't remember, but was basically unable to buy any advertising. He had to wait until mid-summer, I think, before federal matching funds were released to get back on the air. In the meantime, the DNC and Bill Clinton absolutley ripped him a new one with ad after ad after ad (along with getting very favorable coverage for themselves from the MSM) and he was toast by June. He actually was leading Clinton in some polls in December, January, if I remember correctly, but was 20-25% down by June. So, you can opine about how great it would be if a candidate did not need to show fundraising prowess, but that is one of my absolute primary benchmarks a candidate needs to show me before I will support him. Not the only one, mind you, but a very significant one.
I certainly respect your position. My criticism is for those people who don’t think that it is even good to fight for a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion in addition to overturning Roe v. Wade. However, I would disagree with your interpretation of the 14th Amendment. If unborn children are found to be persons for the purposes of the 14th Amendment. Then a state could not allow them to be killed without violating the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th Amendment. People make the point that murder is not prohibited by the 14th Amendment. However, if a state chose to allow a class of people to be killed, I can guarentee that successfull claims would be brought under both the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th Amendment.
As soon as Hunter announced, the left indeed went after him. You can still buy “Anti-Hunter buttons”. There were any number of attacks and hit pieces which attempted to create scandal where there was none. I suppose the left saw that the GOP was busy with the popularity contest and slacked off for the present. It would not be in their best interests to attack Hunter because that would put him in the spotlight. Why try to bury the GOP, when the GOP is burying itself in regard to Hunter? I have been on a few sites that have these side by side comparisons. A comparative between the two candidates usually finds me having to compare what Fred has said to what Hunter has done. Another problem for example is you can’t compare Military records, Fred doesn’t have one. You can’t compare their careers as lobbyists, Hunter doesn’t have one. To me, although you may have different key issues, but mine were National Security, securing our borders, and since we are at war I thought about who would make the best CiC. The possibility of the Iranian nutjob getting nuclear arms also weighed heavily in my decision. Obviously, I want someone leading this country that will see that he does not get them. Abortion, also a really big issue and I looked at who was shooting straight and who I thought might try to be “nuanced” on the issue. To me, there is no middle ground, no room for compromise, it either is an inherent evil, or it isn’t. It is either a human life or it isn’t. You either want to see it eradicated completely, or you don’t. There have been some unintended and rather heated comparatives on many of the threads to date, and likely there will be more. :) I have seen more than a few posts here that brought up issues about Hunter and a few of those were posted by Hunter supporters. I don’t think most Hunter supporters take it as an attack, most of us like it. IS this man going to really be the best leader for our country? That’s what this process is all about. Whichever candidate you choose, I can respect your choice because at the very least, you care enough about your country to ask the questions and seek a comparative. If someone takes it on, maybe they should just do the pro’s of each candidate as a listing of con’s will be seen as an attack by one side. It is even my understanding that one side has contacted campaign headquarters of the other and complained of the attacks. If so the pathos and dramatics have reached critical mass. If any Hunter supporter contacts any other campaign whining about being attacked, that person can expect a swift excoriation and standard-issue literal bloodletting from me. I wish you the best in finding a candidate you can support and if you need any help, Freepmail me anytime.
I see it often said around here that Thompson should pick Hunter as VP.
Do you think that’s likely considering Hunter is a fair-trade, anti-Chicom hardliner while Thompson isn’t? Don’t you think Hunter would frighten off big money contributors?
I think a Thompson/Hunter ticket is not likely because of a couple of things. First, IF Thompson wins the nomination, most (non-dyed-in-the-wool) folks that lean conservative will consider the top of the ticket acceptably conservative. There would be no need for another (possibly) more conservative VP. Second, it’s not real clear what Hunter would deliver in terms of the general. His home state? Doubtful.
I believe that the ticket, should Thomspon win will be Thompson/Romney or Thompson Ruby.
Thanks for the ping.
I think Thompson is a lot like President Bush, but tougher, and the tougher part, I like, but I’m looking for someone MORE conservative than Bush (and tougher), which is why I’m supporting DUNCAN HUNTER!
Having said that, though, I do like Thompson more than Rudy McRomney.
“..but, in the interests of providing another point-of-view on an emerging candidate, I feel honesty — and prudence — requires a close examination of voting patterns and records so, as in the Who song of years ago, “We Won’t be Fooled Again.”
I agree. Let’s get out all the weaknesses, as well as strengths, on the table before the primaries.
>>isn’t sure that life begins at conception<<
You keep bringing back 1994 statements, which is OK, but don’t state them as if they were current. Your use of the present tense here and and in other cases is, to put it politely, misleading.
So your theory is that he has always been pro-choice, but he voted 100% against his beliefs. Seems unlikely to me. Plus his present stated position is that Rowe v Wade should be overturned.
Thanks again for the ping, Mike. Thanks for posting the article, Dick.
Finally having read it and the 1st 50 posts, I created columns listing those “for” Fred, those “against” Fred, those “neutral”, those “informing about author” and those “for Duncan Hunter”.
I’m sure I’ll read more. Those “for” Fred are making the more rational argument thus far. It certainly is an interesting, informative, educational, and outstanding online discussion.
Thanks to all contributors.
I’ll bet you’re right.
For the next 50 posts (51-100) I added a “sidebar” column. The “for” Fred are still presenting the better argument.
Thanks to all.
With Duncan Hunter you don’t have to wait and see anything. It is very clear where he stands. I don’t think this cat and mouse game of Fred Thompson’s is worth my time. I know his type, and I’m not impressed. If he wants to be president, he should come right out and say so, instead of beating around the bush. I’m not taking the bait. Duncan Hunter is my candidate.
LOL! Come on! The rules are ignored and 'stretched' constantly by both sides. Less beholden?? You're joking, right??
...GWB was able to raise so much from so many people...
It appeared that way, because the Dems had so many max donations, but both sides (as usual) were 'skirting' the rules.
Every candidate is. If you were a candidate, you would be too.
You've just conceded the argument.
The primaries must be changed structurally first.
Not if EVERYONE VOTES FOR HUNTER!!
That will change it, now won't it! ;^)
Bob Dole was the nominee but spent all his cash getting the nomination locked up. He had it locked up by late February or late March, I can't remember, but was basically unable to buy any advertising.
Which only confirms my statement that it's not about the best, it's about the money.
So, you can opine about how great it would be if a candidate did not need to show fundraising prowess, but that is one of my absolute primary benchmarks a candidate needs to show me before I will support him. Not the only one, mind you, but a very significant one.
Yes, we agree. We're all f#@ked by the system, and the system is almost impossible to change.
Some dream for what may be.
Others settle for .... whatever.
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