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Conservatives, Beware of Fred Thompson
ConservativeHQ ^ | 7-2007 | Richard A. Viguerie

Posted on 07/10/2007 9:06:01 AM PDT by Dick Bachert

He disappointed conservatives during his eight years in the Senate. Is there any reason to think this Washington insider and veteran trial lawyer would be any better as President?

The frustration of conservatives is understandable. Faced with the prospects of Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Mitt Romney as the next Republican presidential candidate, many are pinning their hopes on former Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee. Could this actor-politician be the new Ronald Reagan?

Mainstream media types assure us that he is. His record suggests otherwise.

This is the second time conservatives have pinned their hopes on Thompson. When he was first elected in the Republican sweep of 1994, he was seen then as the “new Reagan”—a charismatic movie star turned politician. Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole quickly picked Thompson to give the five-minute GOP rebuttal to President Clinton’s economic address, and no less than The New York Times swooned with its headline the next morning, “A Star Is Born.”

He turned out to be a shooting star—a dazzling flash in the sky, soon gone, not there dependably, night after night, like the Big Dipper. Or, as The Tennessean later put it, “A year ago [Thompson] looked like a rising star. Today he looks more like a fading comet.”

Especially to conservatives who have taken the time to examine his record.

Rumors circulated that Thompson was lazy, uninterested in the daily grind that comes with being a Senator—and one can understand that Capitol Hill is a lot more tedious and less glamorous than a Hollywood movie lot. More important were Thompson’s failures of will and his lack of leadership on any legislation that would promote the conservative cause. Instead what little leadership we got from Thompson advanced the liberal Establishment agenda.

Failure of will: Charged with investigating the Clinton White House’s Asia fundraising scandal (“Asiagate”), Thompson managed to draw a tiny blood sample from Bill Clinton but little more. If he’s that ineffectual against an easy target like Bill Clinton at the height of his parade of scandals, why should we expect Thompson to be any more effective against, say, the other partner in the Clintons’ 20-year plan to rule the nation?

On the wrong side of the fence: The McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill, championed by Fred Thompson, is the only important piece of legislation where he played a major role. And that is not an accomplishment to be proud of as a conservative. In fact, now that he’s running for President, Thompson is trying to flip-flop on this issue. Well, he can run, but he can’t hide from his record.

Why McCain-Feingold is so important—and so bad

Never mind that it was patently unconstitutional, as the courts are starting to declare. McCain-Feingold was also, from the beginning, a sham and a lie.

Its stated purpose—its claim to being a “reform”—was that it would take big money out of politics. Well, you can see how successful it’s been! The big corporate and union lobbies are more powerful than ever, and bored billionaires with nothing else to do are eyeing the Senate and the White House as the next trophies on their mantelpieces.

No, the real purpose of “reform” legislation like McCain-Feingold is to serve as incumbent-protection laws. Establishment politicians aren’t threatened by the K Street lobbyists: they feed off them. They are threatened by grassroots organizations that keep an eye on how they vote and pass that information on to their members.

From the National Rifle Association to the Sierra Club, from Right to Left, these groups call incumbents on the carpet. So the incumbents pass laws to restrict the activities of these groups.

McCain-Feingold, the most prominent recent addition to campaign regulations, does this by prohibiting these groups from broadcasting any issue ads that refer to specific candidates for federal office in the 30 days before a primary, or 60 days before a general election.

Why were those dates chosen? Because “that’s when people are most interested in the elections,” according to Congressman Martin Meehan (D-MA), one of the law’s most ardent supporters. In other words, McCain-Feingold and similar laws are intended to silence the voices of ordinary citizens who contribute to these organizations. And they are designed to do so at exactly the times when grassroots citizens can have the greatest impact.

The real purpose of McCain-Feingold-type laws is to silence your voice in the campaign process, by placing a gag on the organizations that represent you and your views. Such measures are the gravest threat to your free speech that exist today.

And who was the only other Republican Senator to join John McCain in pushing hard for this assault on your First Amendment free speech rights? Fred Thompson. Indeed, campaign finance “reform” was the only issue on which he seemed to show any passion.

Thompson was deeply involved in writing the law, lobbied for it among his fellow Republicans, and was even inclined to call it “McCain-Feingold-Thompson.” He and McCain were able to convince only five of their fellow Republicans in the Senate—but added to the Democrats, that was enough. “You were essential to our success,” Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) told Thompson in a gushing thank-you note after passage of McCain-Feingold.

Fred Thompson viewed through the Goldwater Test and the Reagan Test for conservative leadership

The Goldwater Test: Senator Barry Goldwater became the first political spokesman for the conservative movement because, out of all the Republican politicians who claimed to be conservative in the 1950s, he and he alone was willing to confront the sitting Big Government Republican in the White House. President Eisenhower’s policies were “a dime store New Deal,” he said on the floor of the Senate. He spoke truth to power.

Well, again we have a Big Government Republican in the White House, and now it’s no longer a dime store New Deal—it’s a supersized Wal-Mart of a New Deal. The Republican welfare state is far worse than anything the Democrats achieved.

And what has been Fred Thompson’s response these past seven years as the GOP massively expanded the federal government? If he’s said anything to warn us about the direction of the Republican Party, he’s said it so quietly that nobody—not just us, nobody—has noticed. And by his silence he has become complicit.

Thompson’s conservative leadership score on the Goldwater Test: F.

The Reagan Test: Throughout the 1960s and 70s Ronald Reagan walked with conservatives. He was at our conservative functions, and not just at the head table—he mingled with us, listened to our concerns, and made it clear where he stood. Also, our conservative friends were all around him as he governed in California and then ran for President—people like Dick Allen, Ed Meese, Lyn Nofziger, Marty Anderson, Paul Laxalt, Judge Bill Clark…and the list goes on.

Where are the long-time conservative activists today around Fred Thompson? Not campaign consultants who sell themselves to the highest bidder at campaign auctions. No, dedicated and recognized conservative thinkers and activists who will work only for truly conservative politicians.

Go ahead, try and name one. And if conservatives were not part of his inner circle before he started running for the presidency, we cannot expect him to have conservatives in his inner circle if he gets elected. And in politics, personnel is policy.

Thompson’s conservative leadership score on the Reagan Test: F.

Marshmallow Republicanism

When we look at the two politicians who are closest to Thompson—Howard Baker and Lamar Alexander—we can see very clearly why Fred will never be a conservative leader, much less a conservative hero.

Fred Thompson and Howard Baker are as intertwined as the two sides of a coin. Fred Thompson was Howard Baker’s campaign manager in his successful reelection campaign in 1972, after which the two were good ole’ Tennessee buddies. Senator Baker invited Thompson to move up north and be minority (Republican) counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee in its investigation of Richard Nixon.

Thompson, it is said, was the person who got Senator Baker to ask a Nixon aide: “What did the President know, and when did he know it?” The reply led to the discovery of the Nixon tapes, and that led to Nixon’s resignation. Almost sounds like something scripted in Hollywood or on the set of “Law and Order.”

Thompson and Baker are still good ole’ buddies today, with Baker urging Thompson to make this run for the presidency and playing a key role in its unfolding. Officially or unofficially, we could expect Howard Baker to play a key role in a Thompson White House.

And who, you ask, is Howard Baker? You belie your age, of course, by asking that, but even old folks may be excused for a little fuzziness on this matter. Well, Howard Baker was one of the chain of leaders of the liberal (Big Government) wing of the Republican Party. The order of succession was Nelson Rockefeller-Howard Baker-George H. W. Bush-George W. Bush. Because he never got to the White House as its #1 or #2 occupant, Howard Baker has sort of faded into history, but he was important in his heyday—and on the opposite side of the ideological fence from conservatives.

As Republican leader of the Senate, Howard Baker worked with President Carter to turn the Panama Canal over to the drug-running Panamanian dictatorship. He voted to spend taxpayers’ money for abortions. As a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 1980, he said Reagan’s proposed tax cuts were “a riverboat gamble.” You get the picture. And this guy is still Fred Thompson’s closest advisor.

As for Senator Lamar Alexander (who’s up for reelection in 2008), he’s cut from the same cloth as Baker and Thompson—talk conservative but act like a “moderate” (i.e., liberal); above all, avoid sharp ideological confrontation with the Democrats. “The conservatism he exemplifies…,” wrote Jonathan Rauch in Reason magazine, “is no longer a program. It is a style of talking.”

Like Thompson, Lamar Alexander got his first job in Washington from Howard Baker; and when Thompson dropped out of the Senate in 2002 to return to lobbying, trial lawyering, and show biz, Alexander replaced him.

But you don’t have to take my word for it, because Fred Thompson passes the Sally Quinn Test

Fred Thompson may get an F on the Goldwater Test and an F on the Reagan Test, but he gets an A on the Sally Quinn Test. And that tells us a lot.

Sally Quinn is a noted writer and the wife of Ben Bradlee, long-time editor of the Washington Post. You can’t get more to the center of the Liberal Establishment in Washington than this power-couple. And on June 26, 2007, she penned a telling bombshell in the Post on Fred Thompson.

Vice President Dick Cheney is “toxic” and “has the potential to drag down every member of the party—including the presidential nominee—in next year’s elections,” she advises, so the movers and shakers in the GOP must convince President Bush to force Cheney to resign.

“Until recently, there hasn’t been an acceptable alternative to Cheney…,” she admits. “Now there is.” (And by now you can guess who.)

“Everybody loves Fred,” gushes Sally. “He has the healing qualities of Gerald Ford and the movie-star appeal of Ronald Reagan. He is relatively moderate on social issues. He has a reputation as a peacemaker and a compromiser. And he has a good sense of humor. He could be just the partner to bring out Bush’s better nature…”

I had never known Sally Quinn to be so concerned before about the fortunes of the Republican Party, and I am shocked that she allows for even the possibility of a “better nature” in President Bush. Be that as it may, we can see what’s going on here. She rightfully sees Fred Thompson as a marshmallow—oops, I mean “peacemaker” and “compromiser.” As the sitting Vice President in 2008, he would have the inside track on getting the GOP nomination. And liberals could rest easy, knowing their power is safe whether the Democrat or the Marshmallow Republican wins in 2008.

Putting Thompson’s 8 years in the Senate under a microscope

I have examined Fred Thompson’s eight-year record as a Senator in detail, utilizing the vote ratings of the American Conservative Union (ACU) at www.acuratings.org. He emerges not as an out-and-out liberal, but not as a principled conservative either.

Fred Thompson’s record may appear to be “conservative,” but only by comparison with Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, or Mitt Romney, and a Less-of-a-Big Government Republican is still a Big Government Republican. And given his lack of conservative leadership as a Senator, it would be a grave mistake to expect conservative leadership from him as President.

For six of his eight years as a Senator, Thompson ranked in the bottom half of Republican Senators in terms of his commitment to conservatism. What makes this more remarkable is that he served as a Senator from Tennessee, winning his two elections by hefty margins. He didn’t have the excuse that his electorate was liberal, like the electorates of RINO Senators from Oregon, Maine, or Rhode Island. He had a safe seat with a conservative electorate. So when he voted liberal, we have to assume it’s because that’s what he believed.

Conservatives who look to Thompson for salvation need to pause and consider his record—a record that includes these votes:

♦ FOR restricting the rights of grassroots organizations to communicate with the public. See ACU’s vote 3, 1998.

♦ FOR allowing the IRS to require political and policy organizations to disclose their membership—a vote against the constitutional rights of free association and privacy. (The Clinton Administration used such IRS intimidation against conservative groups that opposed them.) See ACU’s vote 11, 2000.

♦ AGAINST impeachment proceedings against President Clinton, specifically the reappointment and reauthorization of managers (drawn from the Republican membership of the House Judiciary Committee) to conduct the impeachment trial in the Senate. See ACU’s vote 1, 1999.

♦ AGAINST an accelerated elimination of the “marriage penalty.” See ACU’s vote 10, 2001.

♦ FOR handouts to politicians, specifically taxpayer funding of presidential campaigns. See ACU’s vote 6, 1995.

♦ FOR handouts to politicians, specifically congressional perks such as postage and broadcast time funded by taxpayers. See ACU’s vote 13, 1996.

♦ AGAINST restraints on federal spending, specifically the Phil Gramm (R-TX) amendment to limit non-defense discretionary spending to the fiscal 1997 levels requested by President Clinton. See ACU’s vote 6, 1997.

♦ FOR affirmative action in federal contracts. See ACU’s vote 9, 1995.

♦ FOR the Legal Services Corporation, the perennial liberal boondoggle that provides political activism disguised as “legal services” to Democratic constituencies. See ACU’s vote 16, 1995, and vote 17, 1999.

♦ FOR an increase in the minimum wage, which, of course, increases unemployment among the young and poor. See ACU’s vote 16, 1996.

♦ FOR President Clinton’s nomination of Dr. David Satcher as U.S. Surgeon General. Among other things, Satcher opposed a full ban on partial-birth abortion. See ACU’s vote 1, 1998.

♦ FOR open-ended military commitments, specifically in regard to U.S. troops in Kosovo. See ACU’s vote 8, 2000.

♦ FOR corporate welfare, specifically the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC). See ACU’s vote 23. 1999.

♦ AGAINST worker and shareholder rights, specifically the Hatch (R-UT) amendment to require unions and corporations to obtain permission from dues-paying members or shareholders before spending money on political activities. See ACU’s votes 4 and 5, 2001.

♦ AGAINST property rights and FOR unlimited presidential power, specifically by allowing President Clinton to implement the American Heritage Rivers Initiative, which he established by executive order, without congressional approval. See ACU’s vote 20, 1997.

♦ FOR restricting the First Amendment (free speech) rights of independent groups. See ACU’s vote 23, 1997.

♦ FOR the trial lawyers lobby, and specifically against a bill that would put common-sense limitations on the medical malpractice suits that increase health costs for all of us. (Of course! He’s been a trial lawyer himself for some three decades.) See ACU’s vote 18, 2002.

And, last but not least:

♦ FOR limitations on campaign freedom of speech, by limiting contributions to national political parties to $2,000 and limiting the rights of individuals and groups to participate in the political process in the two months before elections. See ACU’s vote 7, 2002.

There you have it. The actor who talks like a tough conservative has, in his real political life, voted in all these ways to increase the power of the federal government, limit the rights of taxpayers and individual citizens, and shut grassroots activists out of the political process.

Ronald Reagan he is NOT!

Fred Thompson on abortion: pro-life, pro-choice, or both?

There’s a lot of confusion about where Fred Thompson stands on the abortion issue.

During his Senate years, the Memphis Commercial Appeal described him as “basically pro-choice on abortion,” The Tennessean described him as “a pro-choice defender in a party with an anti-abortion tilt,” and National Review deemed him to be “pro-choice.”

Yet his voting record as a Senator was solidly pro-life, earning him high marks on pro-life voting records and bottom-of-the-barrel ratings from abortion groups like Planned Parenthood. Leaders of social conservative groups like the Family Research Council, Christian Coalition, Concerned Women for America, and the Eagle Forum have had praise for his social-issues record.

How can this be? How can the conservative National Review and Tennessee’s leading newspapers describe him as “pro-choice” when his voting record is the opposite? The confusion results largely because Thompson takes—to use one of Washington’s favorite words—a “nuanced” position on abortion, and then sometimes compounds the confusion with conflicting statements. In addition, his role as a Washington Insider—a Washington lobbyist—raises disturbing questions that have not been answered satisfactorily by Thompson.

The federalism issue

One of Fred Thompson’s deepest held political convictions is his belief in federalism—that the federal government should stick to the powers granted it in the Constitution, leaving everything else to the states or the people. That’s great--if he actually voted as a federalist on the host of issues ranging from presidential power to education. The one area where he does take a pretty consistent federalist position, however, is on the abortion question.

“I’ve always thought that Roe v. Wade was a wrong decision,” Thompson says, and “that they usurped what had been the law in this country for 200 years, that it was a matter that should go back to the states. When you get back to the states, I think the states should have some leeway.”

Because he believes abortion essentially should be a state matter, not a federal matter, Thompson has voted repeatedly against federal funding of abortion in Department of Defense facilities and says he opposes public financing of abortions for low-income Medicaid recipients. The same federalist reasoning, however, is presumably what also leads him to oppose (in a Christian Coalition questionnaire) a constitutional amendment “protecting the sanctity of human life” as well as federal legislation “protecting the sanctity of human life.” I say “presumably” because Fred Thompson himself has never really explained his seemingly conflicted statements and positions on abortion in a comprehensive and logical way.

The conception issue

Thompson is not against abortion per se, since he says he doesn’t know whether life begins at conception. At least that was the position he took before he started running for President.

“I’m not willing to support laws that prohibit early term abortions,” he told the Conservative Spectator, a Tennessee newspaper, in 1994. “It comes down to whether life begins at conception. I don’t know in my own mind if that is the case so I don’t feel the law ought to impose that standard on other people.” “The ultimate decision on abortion should be left with the woman and not the government,” he told another newspaper. And in his Christian Coalition questionnaire, he penciled in: “I do not believe abortion should be criminalized. This matter will be won in the hearts and souls of the American people.”

Note that when he explained why he opposes Roe v. Wade on federalism grounds, he ended up saying: “When you get back to the states, I think the states should have some leeway.” “Leeway” obviously is code for “the states should allow some abortions.”

Thompson has, however, voted consistently against partial birth abortion. There’s no doubt that life has started in those late-term situations.

Fred Thompson the “conservative” politician vs. Fred Thompson the pro-abortion lobbyist

New information uncovered by the Los Angeles Times indicates that Thompson has lobbied on behalf of an abortion rights organization.

The official minutes of the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association (NFPRHA) document that the group hired Thompson in 1991 to try to influence the George H. W. Bush Administration to loosen the restrictions that prevented federal funding from going to clinics that engage in abortion counseling.

Thompson’s support for federal funding of abortion is vividly recalled by the President of the NFPRHA, Judy DeSarno; the Director of Government Relations, Sarah Szanton; and a member of the Board of Directors, Susan Cohen.

To be fair, Bush’s Chief of Staff, John Sununu, has denied ever talking to Thompson about abortion. That may mean that Thompson either spoke to other officials in the White House or took the NFPRHA’s money and did nothing for them.

Either way, that kind of behavior is inconsistent with principled conservatism.

What would he do about abortion as President?

He would personally rejoice if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, at least according to some of his statements on abortion. For the sake of argument, let us grant him that sentiment. But if vacancies occur in the court during his presidency, would he have the fortitude to nominate and fight for judges who share his federalist sentiments and on that basis vote to overturn Roe v. Wade? And would he do so particularly if he faced a Democratic Senate and House of Representatives, as seems likely?

Nothing in his past suggests that he would fight. The Nelson Rockefeller/Howard Baker/Poppy Bush wing of the party, of which Thompson is an integral part by virtue of the umbilical cord between Thompson and Baker, has always believed in accommodation rather than confrontation. You accommodate the Democrats, as Thompson himself did in his “Asiagate” investigation, and you can bet your entire rainy-day fund that the Democrats won’t accommodate a Supreme Court nominee who might overturn Roe v. Wade. Accommodation on this issue is a one-way street. Any accommodation would be done by President Thompson.

As far as other abortion-related politicking is concerned, there is nothing to suggest that abortion is a key issue anywhere near the top of Fred Thompson’s “to do” list. “We need to concentrate on what brings us together and not what divides us,” was Senator Thompson excuse, as told to The Tennessean. And later, when a pro-abortion group needed a Republican Insider to represent its views at the White House, we now know—from the minutes of the group’s meetings—who they turned to: Washington lobbyist Fred Thompson.

In short, a President Thompson would give pro-life conservatives some supportive rhetoric but little action. So what else is new?

The bottom line

Fred Thompson showed no conservative leadership in his eight years as Senator.

Fred Thompson was a key architect of one of the worst pieces of legislation in recent years—the speech-muzzling McCain-Feingold campaign finance law.

Fred Thompson cast votes in the Senate that increased the power of the federal government, limited the rights of taxpayers and individual citizens, and sought to shut grassroots activists out of the political process.

Fred Thompson fails the Goldwater Test with a grade of F: He did not speak out against the Republican Big Government rampage of the past seven years.

Fred Thompson fails the Reagan Test with a grade of F: He has never walked with us or surrounded himself with conservatives or fought our fights.

Fred Thompson has instead been a protégé of one of the icons of liberal Republicanism, Howard Baker, who continues to be his key advisor.

Fred Thompson plays a tough guy in the movies and on television, but in real life he is a marshmallow who would pose no threat to the Big Government Establishment that continues to dominate Washington.

Fred Thompson is, in fact, a Washington insider and part of that Big Government Establishment through his eight years as a go-along Senator and even more years as a trial lawyer and Washington lobbyist.

Fred Thompson is not the conservative leader we need.

For the past year, I have been preaching to conservatives that we should not align ourselves with those who have fatal flaws from a conservative perspective. The imminent entrance of Fred Thompson in the race doesn’t change a thing, for the reasons I have demonstrated here.

Conservatives, let’s keep our powder dry. The GOP has taken us for granted in supporting their political agenda. Conservatives should make candidates come to us, and let’s make them prove that they are worthy of our support.


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To: Tennessean4Bush
There may be a couple of candidates who are more conservative, but none that have a smidgen of a chance to win the nomination or be elected.

Not as long as the majority Republican voters have that kind of mindset.

But imagine if every conservative voter decided to vote for "THE BEST CHOICE" in the primaries, instead of the "guy most likely to win in the general election".

Just imagine!

But hey, even if the primaries are the one place we can put substance over style and get what we want, this is how we've been trained to think and respond.

So when we settle for an "OK GUY WITH HIGH POLL NUMBERS" we get just that.

I like Fred, but, IMHO, he is not the best we can do. He's (allegedly) the best we can win with.

1,061 posted on 07/11/2007 9:21:26 AM PDT by airborne (COULTER: Actually, my favorite candidate is [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA], and he is magnificent.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

And yet he hires some of the most notorious that worked with Bush.

Sounds less like do the opposite and more like more of the same.

There’s nothing wrong with hiring seasoned professionals, hiring the one’s he has is questionable.

You may not like it or agree but there are many who do not trust those who helped put Bush in office and rightly so.


1,062 posted on 07/11/2007 9:23:11 AM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: Weeedley

You have no idea what you are talking about.


1,063 posted on 07/11/2007 9:23:57 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Anonymous Rex

And I don’t throw my President under the bus for a couple of issues I disagree with him on. He was right to enter this war and he appointed two solid men to the SC. I won’t disown him completely like some have


1,064 posted on 07/11/2007 9:29:35 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Rudy, Mayor of Sanctuary City)
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To: wolfcreek

Nobody chose Fred Thompson for me. I chose him myself. He went on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace and said he was ‘leaving the door open’ on running for president. I thought it was a good idea. After I got to know him even better, I thought it was a great idea. The same is true of just about all of us who support Thompson.

Thompson was chosen by us. Support who you want, but don’t think you’re alone in choosing candidates for yourself.


1,065 posted on 07/11/2007 9:30:16 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Well Fred’s got a 60-40 lead. I intend to change that -- pissant)
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To: mhking
We are not look for another Ronald Reagan. God sent us a Ronald Reagan when we were desperately needed a Ronald Reagan.

In 2008, we need a Fred Thompson, and God has sent us one.

No liberal lies, propaganda, hissy fits, rants, raves or a MSM tsunami of slander will prevail against Fred’s march to the White House.

Not only that Liberals,but A tidal wave of Conservatives will ride his coat tails into Governorships, the Senate and the house of Representatives.

Kiss your sweaty, funky smelling seats in congress good bye, liberals.

1,066 posted on 07/11/2007 9:36:33 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Repeat after me liberals:" President Fred", "President Fred", President Fred" . Get used to it.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

It took more than a couple of issues for me to throw him under the bus. Many more.

Right to enter the war, wrong to allow our soldiers hands to be tied with respect to fighting it.

Ultimately we wound up with two solid men in spite of the fact that he tried to appoint his friend, an unqualified Harriet Miers.

We could talk about the ports deal, CFR, immigration, etc.


1,067 posted on 07/11/2007 9:53:52 AM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: Still Thinking

‘Do you have a link for that? It would sure make me breath a lot easier.’

No, I read about it in Reagans diaries, which I highly recommend to anyone interested in Presidential politics.

He had a line about Jim Webb,btw. He noted ‘Jim Webb resigned today as under secretary of the Navy. I don’t think the Navy will miss him.’

I laugh about that observation now whenever I hear Webb’s name mentioned.....he also seriously questioned Chriss Dodds allegiance to America, which I found interesting, given Dodds done nothing to change that perception in the twenty something years since that entry.


1,068 posted on 07/11/2007 10:07:03 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: airborne
But hey, even if the primaries are the one place we can put substance over style and get what we want, this is how we've been trained to think and respond.

If a Republican candidate for President cannot raise big money to compete, he is not worth the effort to support because it will take a Republican candidate raising somewhere north of $250 Million dollars to effectively get his message out. The mainstream media that does so much for liberal candidates do nothing or worse for pubs or conservatives. I might love Duncan Hunter. I can send him $50 or $500 bucks if I really love him. If he can convince hundred of thousands of people a quarter to send about $100 each, then he is onto something. He is showing the ability to compete.

Years ago, before big campaign contributions were outlawed, the guy with merely a great record and message could be taken seriously because all he had to do was convince a few wealthy benefactors to support him. Nowadays, like it or not, it is a combination of record, message, and fundraising prowess that all must be considered when determining if a candidate is viable.

1,069 posted on 07/11/2007 10:12:32 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

You make a solid argument, but I still think that as lkong as we pick a candidate by whohas the most cash,we’re selling ourselves to the highest bidder.

And you know full well that all of those millions come with strings attached.

And if you believe that Fred is different, and that he isn’t beholden to special interests, I respectfully disagree.

The only place we have a chance to change things is, IMO, in the primaries.

BTW, if Hunter was the nominee, I believe the GOP and the Republican voters would get behind him with the money he’d need.

But, most likely, the voters are too afraid or lazy to take the chance.


1,070 posted on 07/11/2007 10:23:15 AM PDT by airborne (COULTER: Actually, my favorite candidate is [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA], and he is magnificent.)
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To: G8 Diplomat
This is the exact quote you attributed to Thompson, which apparently was what some newspaper said about him in 1994, not really what he said:

"He says he thought Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, but also says he’s a pro-choice defender in a pro-life party."

"says he's a pro-choice defender in a pro-life party" sounds like he he still pro-choice. He certainly was pro-choice in 1994, but the evidence since then indicates he has changed. It would be more honest to say that "in 1994 that he was a pro-choice defender in a pro-life party." Even then, he never voted pro-choice in the US Senate.

It is OK to be skeptical, as I am with all candidates. You can call Thompson a flip-flopper, but to be honest, you would also have to call Reagan a flip-flopper.
1,071 posted on 07/11/2007 10:42:58 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Dick Bachert

He has a strong conservative voting record and is much more loyal to the GOP than McCain. or Rudy.


1,072 posted on 07/11/2007 10:43:06 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: Asclepius

I am not “under attack” - are you?


1,073 posted on 07/11/2007 10:47:21 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
And I don’t throw my President under the bus for a couple of issues I disagree with him on. He was right to enter this war and he appointed two solid men to the SC. I won’t disown him completely like some have

You're ignoring the fact that if we hadn't complained, he would have appointed his own cronies and not "two solid men". Roberts was his from the start, but the credit for Alito belongs not to W but to us.

I give W full credit for his initiative on the war on terrorists, but fighting for national security abroad means little when you can't be bothered to secure our borders at home.

Add his bloated federal programs, his Kennedy coziness, the elevation of incompetent friends to high office, his bizarre push for amnesty (and the childish namecalling of conservatives who dare to oppose it), and you'll find that it's far from being "a couple of issues". The President's conservative achievements are vastly outnumbered by his liberal boondoggles.

1,074 posted on 07/11/2007 10:52:00 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Romney backtracked on abortion, and that's pretty much it. I suppose you could count his position on a Federal marriage amendment as backtracking. He always opposed gay marraige, but he didn't see a need for a Federal marriage amendment until the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court imposed gay marriage on the Commonwealth by judicial fiat.

As this article points out, Fred backtracked on about 5 issues.

Objectively, Fred is a bigger flip-flopper than Romney, even if your perceptions don't match that reality.

1,075 posted on 07/11/2007 10:57:05 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: airborne
But imagine if every conservative voter decided to vote for "THE BEST CHOICE" in the primaries, instead of the "guy most likely to win in the general election". Just imagine!

Hunter has his problems too. He's a big spender, he voted for CFR type legislation and I still haven't addressed the charge that he's a protectionist.

If Fred runs a non no-nonsense across-the-board conservative campaign then he will be my choice. So far the early indication is that he is running such a campaign.

1,076 posted on 07/11/2007 11:04:24 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Dick Bachert
Fred Thompson is unafraid to challenge the assumption that there is a federal solution for every problem in the United States and the World. Fred sees the importance of confronting Islamic extremism now rather than when they rule the entire Islamic world and will be much more difficult to defeat. Fred realizes that the people of the United States do not trust Congress and the Executive Branch to provide the requisite level of border security and workplace enforcement if they are allowed to “kick the can down the road” by passing a comprehensive amnesty bill. Fred Thompson voting record on gun rights, criminal law, abortion, and other traditional Conservative issues is quite acceptable to me (I can say the same about some others in the race, but they are not viable candidates with national appeal). Fred is well-spoken and articulate. The positions he has espoused during his recent career as a political commentator are nearly indistinguishable from mine. Fred was a prosecutor for many years, and I admire that immensely (as I am one myself).

For these positive and affirmative reasons, I support Fred. I do not support him as the least of all evils in the race. I have some admiration for many of the candidates including Gulliani (on homeland security and budget management), McCain (on his consistent support of the military and the war effort), Romney (if he could cut back on bureaucracy in Mass., he might make headway in DC), and Hunter and Paul (both good, solid conservatives). These others, however, do not excite me like Fred. Fred has charisma and a dedication to reducing the size, scope, and expense of government that excite me more than any candidate since Reagan. I knew both Bushes as well as Dole were not really small government conservatives, but I supported them as the least of the evils in the race. I urge Fred to run - as he really isn’t even a candidate yet - because he seems more likely to advance the Reagan revolution than any candidate in the last 20 years.

There is at least one potential candidate out there who might actually fit my politics better than Fred. That would be Newt Gingrich. Because of his highly confrontational, partisan past and moral lapses, though, I do not believe he is electable.

I know there are those out there who do not consider Fred conservative enough. There are even more who wear Che Guevara T-shirts and think Hillary is way too conservative for them. Such is life. That does not in any way diminish my enthusiasm for a Fred Thompson candidacy. As long as he continues to espouse values and positions that I share, I will continue to support him.

Sorry, Dick.

1,077 posted on 07/11/2007 11:07:01 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: curiosity
As this article points out, Fred backtracked on about 5 issues. Objectively, Fred is a bigger flip-flopper than Romney, even if your perceptions don't match that reality.

Thompson has long been against Roe v. Wade. Thompson seems to have flipped on CFR. Besides that I don't see any flip-flops.

BTW, if you want objectivity, this article by this author, isn't it.

1,078 posted on 07/11/2007 11:07:30 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: pissant

And Duncan has no idea how to win the primary of his own party.


1,079 posted on 07/11/2007 11:16:25 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: juliej
Thompson on the Sean Heanady show yesturday.

Sean: big MSM is starting to write hit pieces against you. Fred: They know who they need to fear!

1,080 posted on 07/11/2007 11:19:55 AM PDT by Weeedley
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