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Live Thread: Senate Amnesty Debate (CRITICAL 2ND CLOTURE VOTE TODAY!) Woo hoo!! It's DEAD!!
The U.S. Senate with Free Republic Input | June 28, 2007 | truthkeeper

Posted on 06/28/2007 6:25:57 AM PDT by truthkeeper

Here we are again my friends, hopefully for the last debate thread on this particular monstrous legislation. Proceedings are supposed to begin at 9:30 a.m. EST, with the cloture vote being taken at 10:30 a.m.

On a personal note, you've all been wonderful in your passion, vigilance, and commitment to the principles on which our country was founded. If I have to be in a foxhole, I want to be in it with you guys.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; itsdeadjim; sellouts; stickaforkinit; ussenate; vampirebill
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To: All

There’s no use bickering over who lost biggest; this was a setback for Bush/Rove/Cheney, BigBiz RINOs, globalyst NWOs, AND the Reid/Kennedy Dems alike, no matter how each tries to spin it.
This was the ultimate crossover issue on which a majority of Americans agreed, it galvanized the right, left, and middle beyond liberal/conservative characterizations because it was recognized as a matter of survival, and because it was recognized as being pushed for the basest of reasons, POWER.
We need to keep the energy alive and keep the floodlights on those responsible. Expect retaliation, both overt and covert, from those in power in response to the failure of their shamnesty. We need to keep this energy alive and keep the floodlights on those responsible. We need to keep putting the elite on the hotseat over this, corruption, and how they are spending public funds. We need to support the few heroes who rose from this mess and championed our cause, with our support they can continue to be champions.
Keep using the emails and phones to insist on enforcement and arrest for lawbreakers who hire illegals. Dry up the illegal jobs and handouts, and watch the flow of illegals dry up with it.


2,181 posted on 06/28/2007 12:45:46 PM PDT by call2arms
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To: truthkeeper
Thread of the official statement of GW Bush from Whitehouse.gov:


President Bush Disappointed by Congress's Failure to Act on Comprehensive Immigration Reform
  Posted by TomGuy
On 06/28/2007 2:40:20 PM CDT · 4 replies · 32+ views


The White House ^ | June 28, 2007 | GW Bush
12:38 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: I thank the members of the Senate and members of my administration who worked so hard on the border security and immigration reform bill. I'm sorry the Senate was unable to reach agreement on the bill this morning. Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people and Congress's failure to act on it is a disappointment. The American people understand the status quo is unacceptable when it comes to our immigration laws. A lot of us worked hard to see if we couldn't find a common ground -- it didn't work....

2,182 posted on 06/28/2007 12:45:52 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you for this website!


2,183 posted on 06/28/2007 12:46:07 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: Earthdweller

Soo..may I be the first to say where’s the fence??? ......and we still have the same crummy immigration laws. So how’s that working for you for the next two years?
Who did you say won today again?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’ve told my “Employees” plenty of times to Git’Er Done,,,
What did they do ??
They did their best to turn my country into a turd world shi’it hole like Mexico !!
The USA Won...;0)


2,184 posted on 06/28/2007 12:46:58 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: call2arms

How did hillary and obama vote? The Rep candidate needs to hammer on this issue, can you say Duncan Hunter?


2,185 posted on 06/28/2007 12:49:08 PM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Again, first answer #2089 and #2136.


2,186 posted on 06/28/2007 12:49:11 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric
Somebody was gettin’ through to the sheeple with the right information about this bill. Just look at the poll numbers!

Well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. And this was one nut that was pretty hard to ignore, because we MADE it so. The MSM wasn't going to clue in the sheeple, so we all did it ourselves. I personally emailed and called every clueless friend I knew, and I know plenty of people who did the same. The same thing went on all across the country. We OURSELVES, along with evil talkradio, got the word out and were able to make the MSM irrelevant on the issue.

"One if by land, two if by sea..."
Pat yourselves on the back people. It's a grrreeaaattt day,and you deserve it.

2,187 posted on 06/28/2007 12:50:26 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid./LOUD and PROUD!)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Jeff you are correct. It is a loss for Republicans. The base is angry-rightfully so that the Senate tried to ram this down our throats. This was President Bush’s bill for all but hispanic voters who will forever believe that it it dingy Harry’s bill and vote accordingly. The Democrats played the Republican-it would probably be piling on to call the GOP the stupid party but...this was a lose-lose situation for them. The Republicans had their reasons(slave labor and perhaps some who truly believe the hispanics will vote Repub if we pander enough), but truly it backfired-they should have known better. I promise you no Dem would have introduced this bill with his name on it without cover from Pres. Bush and the Republican leadership.


2,188 posted on 06/28/2007 12:51:28 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: acoulterfan
"Kennedy: “We can’t deport 12 million people. Are we going to go and round them up? We won’t even be able to find them” yada yada yada"

I don't care if it takes 30 years, the Gov created this mess and the people want them to clean it up!

2,189 posted on 06/28/2007 12:54:39 PM PDT by Osprey (,/)
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To: nyconse
Thank you, nyconse! This was a great win for the grassroots. It proves that the liberals and rinos CAN be turned back when grassroots organizations unite and mobilize. Pray we can unite and mobilize in ‘08!!
2,190 posted on 06/28/2007 12:55:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Cedric; gbunch; JeffAtlanta
There’s a guy on this thread {JeffAtlanta} claiming this is a win for Dems and a loss for Republicans.

I believe you are paraphrasing what JeffAtlanta said incorrectly. Just because a handful of Republican Senators did the right thing doesn't take away from the fact that many more Republican Senators plus the Republican President were more than willing to give the country away.
2,191 posted on 06/28/2007 12:57:41 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Osprey
"Kennedy: “We can’t deport 12 million people. Are we going to go and round them up? We won’t even be able to find them” yada yada yada"

Have CNN conduct a poll.

2,192 posted on 06/28/2007 12:59:46 PM PDT by golas1964 (Bush = Quack the Tongue-tied RINO)
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To: JeffAtlanta; Cedric; gbunch
The fact of the matter is, however, that the GOP leadership that we elected was the driving force that brought us right up to the brink of national suicide. The democrats were just along for the ride in this circus.

That's exactly it. Even the Dems weren't willing to commit political suicide by passing this bill without a lot of Republican support. How many times did Pelosi say she wouldn't bring it to the floor without at least 60 Republicans voting for it? How many times did Reid call it a Republican bill or Bush's bill? There's reasons for laying the 'credit' for the bill at the Republicans' feet.
2,193 posted on 06/28/2007 1:00:56 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall

You’ve got your numbers backward!

If it were not for Republicans the bill would’ve passed!!


2,194 posted on 06/28/2007 1:04:20 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: CottonBall
Just because a handful of Republican Senators did the right thing doesn't take away from the fact that many more Republican Senators plus the Republican President were more than willing to give the country away.

Thank you. It is not clear why some want to lay this all on Reid's lap. We know Reid and 95% of the democrats don't have the country's best interest at heart - that isn't news. The democrats are the devil we know.

What should be disturbing is that a significant faction of the GOP, including the leadership, approached the democrats and worked with them to push us toward national suicide.

Even when the democrats had given up on the scheme, the republican leadership (spearheaded by Bush) put enough pressure on REPUBLICAN hold outs to bring it back to life.

2,195 posted on 06/28/2007 1:08:12 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: wtc911
You know what they say about assuming. Don't assume a thing, Katie.

You're a LIAR! I never called anyone a racist or nazi or KKKer. Prove it or stop lying about me.

And I erased my profile for other reasons....not a thing to do with my moderate position on illegal immigration.

But congratulations to you and yours on getting this bill defeated. You now have guaranteed that a democratic president and congress will reap the Hispanic vote for at least a generation.

Great play, Shakepeare!

2,196 posted on 06/28/2007 1:08:50 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: All

Let’s try it this way:

Which party, by and large, saved us from this dreadful bill?

{direct answers only, no “squishy” answers, please}


2,197 posted on 06/28/2007 1:09:52 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: kabar

“My God, how long do we have to put up with this Jimmy Swaggert moment?”

Dang, that’s it! Bullseye, that’s what he’s become.


2,198 posted on 06/28/2007 1:09:58 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: tioga

Hilary and Obama voted yes, of course, and I hope it is a stake in the heart of each’s campaign. We must also remember the other ‘08 wannabes who supported this attempt to assassinate our country.

Here’s a link with a summary of numerous polls on the immigration issue:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd74c


2,199 posted on 06/28/2007 1:11:26 PM PDT by call2arms
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To: JeffAtlanta
What you're describing has been typical "Republican-in-minority" behavior.

At the end of Limbaugh's show today, he discussed something that Lindsey Graham said, that it was his job to work with the Democrat majority to get things done. Limbaugh disagreed, saying that it was Graham's job to defend his principles, and oppose the Democrats when they are in conflict.

If Repulbicans like Graham were to be asked if Democrats saw their job to be working with Republicans while the GOP ruled the Senate, what would these people say? They'd say things like, "well, that was them and we're different," or "we're not going to stoop to their level," or some excuse or another to explain away Democrat obstuctionist behavior. Yet over and over and over, the Republicans settle into the "go-along to get along" mode of operation.

They led the Senate like they were still in the minority, and now that they are in the minority they just want to get along.

-PJ

2,200 posted on 06/28/2007 1:16:39 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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