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They could have misspelled unravelled in the title.

Even if you're a Macroevolutionist, you should agree that it was the height of arrogance to have the gall to unilaterally declare huge chunks of genetic code to be vestigial junk remaining from macroevolution simply because they couldn't see how it worked. This is an extremely new field. The human genome project started in 1990, and the double helix of DNA was (just its shape) was discovered only last century, so recent that some of the people involved in that discovery are still alive. And yet they have the nerve to state that much of the code is practically useless.

In a Star Wars novel, 'junk' DNA from plants were removed and a new code containing Jedi information was put in its place (there are 4 'letters' that can be used with DNA in comparison to binary's 2). Suspect other science fiction had similar concepts. Guess that the offense comes from that they are practically novices acting as though they are masters. Though the continuing trend of some scientists not using 'suspect,' 'seems,' 'appears,' 'surmised,' or other terms to show that science (in the concrete and not abstract sense) is a field which requires qualification--largely in an attempt to cement their dogma of macroevolution as unquestionable--could play a part.

1 posted on 06/15/2007 10:49:45 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
was

Strike out on of the "was"s next to the set of parentheses.

2 posted on 06/15/2007 10:51:55 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
This explains a lot, actually.

Things that "scientists" don't understand, they consider to be "junk."

That's exactly why so many "scientists" think they know everything about global climate.

You could also call this "arrogance."

3 posted on 06/15/2007 10:52:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (http://www.imwithfred.com/)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

God don’t make no junk!..........


4 posted on 06/15/2007 10:53:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Since we’re talking about “code” here; To put this in simplistic computer terms, it sounds like what they thought was “Junk DNA” are like library files, DLL’s etc, that by themselves don’t do much until they are called by other programs and integrated with other code to do something.


5 posted on 06/15/2007 11:00:26 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”


6 posted on 06/15/2007 11:04:53 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Old news.

We live with an uncountable number of retroviruses. They’re everywhere — and they probably have been here as long as the human race. We have them in our genome. We get some of them from our mothers in the form of new viruses — infectious viral particles that can move from mother to fetus. We get others from both parents along with our genes. We have resident sequences in our genome that are retroviral. That means that we can and do make our own retroviral particles some of the time. Some of them may look like H.I.V. No one has shown that they’ve ever killed anyone before.

There’s got to be a purpose for them; a sizable fraction of our genome is comprised of human endogenous retroviral sequences. There are those who claim that we carry useless D.N.A., but they’re wrong. If there is something in our genes, there’s a reason for it. We don’t let things grow on us. I have tried to put irrelevant gene sequences into things as simple as bacteria. If it doesn’t serve some purpose, the bacteria get rid of it right away. I assume that my body is at least as smart as bacteria when it comes to things like D.N.A.

H.I.V. didn’t suddenly pop out of the rain forest or Haiti. It just popped into Bob Gallo’s hands at a time when he needed a new career. It has been here all along. Once you stop looking for it only on the streets of big cities, you notice that it is thinly distributed everywhere.

-Nobelist Kary Mullis, inventor of the Polymerase Chain Reaction

9 posted on 06/15/2007 11:13:20 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; neverdem; SunkenCiv; nuconvert

It is not difficult to “write” a message in a plasmid using the one letter code for the amino acids by inserting a suitable string of three letter of DNA per amino acid with some adjustments O => Q. For instance Hello world is HELLQ WQRD or Histidine-Glutamic acid-Leucine-Leucine-Glutamine-Tryptophan-Glutamine-Arginine-Aspartic acid.

For the DNA sequence you should go to the DNA-Protein code try a combination here http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/molkit/rtranslate/index.html

Have a nice time in the lab!


10 posted on 06/15/2007 11:16:39 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: gcruse

Ping.


11 posted on 06/15/2007 11:17:36 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; gcruse
Even if you're a Macroevolutionist, you should agree that it was the height of arrogance to have the gall to unilaterally declare huge chunks of genetic code to be vestigial junk remaining from macroevolution simply because they couldn't see how it worked. This is an extremely new field. The human genome project started in 1990, and the double helix of DNA was (just its shape) was discovered only last century, so recent that some of the people involved in that discovery are still alive. And yet they have the nerve to state that much of the code is practically useless.

The way you put it, you're making it sound like the scientists and the theologists are sitting on either side of an imaginary aisle, while some mysterious force passes the answers along the central pathway.

What you're seeing here is science refining itself. That's exactly the self-correcting feedback loop that religious dogma lacks.

13 posted on 06/15/2007 11:21:51 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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from the junkdna keyword:
Jumping genes can knock out DNA; alter human genome
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On News/Activism 08/09/2002 6:57:09 PM EDT · 1 reply · 164+ views


Cell; University of Michigan | August 9, 2002 | Sheila Lutz-Prigge and Nicolas Gilbert
ANN ARBOR, MI - Results of a new University of Michigan study suggest that junk DNA - dismissed by many scientists as mere strings of meaningless genetic code - could have a darker side. In a paper published in the Aug. 9 issue of Cell, scientists from the U-M Medical School report that, in cultured human cancer cells, segments of junk DNA called LINE-1 elements can delete DNA when they jump to a new location - possibly knocking out genes or creating devastating mutations in the process.
 

DNA left overs, new mechanism for evolution[Shapiro was right]
  Posted by AndrewC
On News/Activism 07/21/2004 11:49:59 PM EDT · 23 replies · 562+ views


News-Medical.Net | 16-Jul-2004 | News-Medical.Net
DNA left overs, new mechanism for evolution Friday, 16-Jul-2004, by News-Medical -- A team of researchers from the Universitat Autunoma de Barcelona (UAB) has discovered that transposons, small DNA sequences that travel through the genomes, can silence the genes adjacent to them by inducing a molecule called antisense RNA. This is a new mechanism for evolution that has been unknown until now. Transposons are repeated DNA sequences that move through the genomes. For a long time they have been considered as a useless part of genetic material, DNA left overs. However, it is more and more clear that transposons...
 

Introns Engineered for Genetic Repair
  Posted by DannyTN
On News/Activism 02/21/2005 11:25:16 AM EST · 5 replies · 266+ views


Creation Evolution Headlines | 02/18/05 | Creation Evolution Headlines
Introns Engineered for Genetic Repair -- 02/18/2005 Scientists at Purdue University are using bacterial machines to treat cancer and other diseases. -- These machines, called Group I introns, were thought to be useless: Once thought of as genetic junk, introns are bits of DNA that can activate their own removal from RNA, which translates DNA's directions for gene behavior. -- Introns then splice the RNA back together. -- Scientists are just learning whether many DNA sequences previously believed to have no function actually may play specialized roles in cell behavior. -- (Emphasis added.) Though the function of introns is still mysterious (see...
 

Molecular machine may lead to new drugs to combat human diseases
  Posted by Michael_Michaelangelo
On News/Activism 02/21/2005 2:58:57 PM EST · 79 replies · 814+ views


Purdue University | February 18, 2005 | Susan A. Steeves
WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. -- The crystallized form of a molecular machine that can cut and paste genetic material is revealing possible new paths for treating diseases such as some forms of cancer and opportunistic infections that plague HIV patients. Purdue University researchers froze one of these molecular machines, which are chemical complexes known as a Group I intron, at mid-point in its work cycle. When frozen, crystallized introns reveal their structure and the sites at which they bind with various molecules to cause biochemical reactions. Scientists can use this knowledge to manipulate the intron to splice out malfunctioning genes, said...
 

UCSD Study Shows 'Junk' DNA Has Evolutionary Importance (Evolutionists don't get it)
  Posted by DaveLoneRanger
On News/Activism 10/20/2005 8:13:26 AM EDT · 75 replies · 1,153+ views


University of California-San Diego | October 19, 2005 | Kim McDonald
Genetic material derisively called "junk" DNA because it does not contain the instructions for protein-coding genes and appears to have little or no function is actually critically important to an organism's evolutionary survival, according to a study conducted by a biologist at UCSD. In the October 20 issue of Nature, Peter Andolfatto, an assistant professor of biology at UCSD, shows that these non-coding regions play an important role in maintaining an organism's genetic integrity. In his study of the genes from the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster, he discovered that these regions are strongly affected by natural selection, the evolutionary process...
 

Junk DNA may not be so junky after all
  Posted by DaveLoneRanger
On News/Activism 03/29/2006 8:46:20 PM EST · 83 replies · 1,418+ views


EurekAlert | March 23, 2006 | Johns Hopkins Staff
Researchers develop new tool to find gene control regions Researchers at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine at Johns Hopkins have invented a cost-effective and highly efficient way of analyzing what many have termed "junk" DNA and identified regions critical for controlling gene function. And they have found that these control regions from different species don't have to look alike to work alike. The study will be published online at Science Express March 23. The researchers developed a new system that uses zebrafish to test mammalian DNA and identify DNA sequences, known as enhancers, involved in turning on a gene....
 

Evolutionary scrap-heap challenge: Antifreeze fish make sense out of junk DNA
  Posted by DaveLoneRanger
On News/Activism 04/04/2006 6:47:37 PM EDT · 93 replies · 1,191+ views


EurekAlert! News | April 4, 2006 | Society for Experimental Biology Staff
Scientists at the University of Illinois have discovered an antifreeze-protein gene in cod that has evolved from non-coding or 'junk' DNA. Since the creation of these antifreeze proteins is directly driven by polar glaciation, by studying their evolutionary history the scientists hope to pinpoint the time of onset of freezing conditions in the polar and subpolar seas. Professor Cheng will present her latest results at the Annual Main Meeting of the Society for Experimental Biology in Canterbury on Tuesday the 4th April [session A2]. Fish such as cod that live in subzero polar waters have evolved to avoid freezing to...
 

Salvage prospect for 'junk' DNA
  Posted by Sopater
On News/Activism 04/28/2006 9:59:38 AM EDT · 13 replies · 397+ views


BBC News | Wednesday, 26 April 2006, 05:53 GMT 06:53 UK | Paul Rincon
Salvage prospect for 'junk' DNA By Paul Rincon BBC News science reporter A mathematical analysis of the human genome suggests that so-called "junk DNA" might not be so useless after all. The term junk DNA refers to those portions of the genome which appear to have no specific purpose. But a team from IBM has identified patterns, or "motifs", that were found both in the junk areas of the genome and those which coded for proteins. The presence of the motifs in junk DNA suggests these portions of the genome may have an important functional role. These regions may...
 

IBM Discovery Could Shed New Light on Workings of the Human Genome
  Posted by Tribune7
On News/Activism 04/30/2006 8:57:12 AM EDT · 24 replies · 795+ views


IBM
Yorktown Heights, NY, April 25, 2006 -- IBM today announced its researchers have discovered numerous DNA patterns shared by areas of the human genome that were thought to have little or no influence on its function and those areas that do. As reported today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), regions of the human genome that were assumed to largely contain evolutionary leftovers (called "junk DNA") may actually hold significant clues that can add to scientists' understanding of cellular processes. IBM researchers have discovered that these regions contain numerous, short DNA "motifs," or repeating sequence fragments,...
 

How Scientific Evidence is Changing the Tide of the Evolution vs. Intelligent Design Debate
  Posted by Sopater
On General/Chat 01/08/2007 5:16:07 PM EST · 69 replies · 692+ views


geocities.com | 1/7/2007 | Wade Schauer
INTRODUCTION: For the past few years there has been a relatively public battle between Evolution (Darwinism) and Intelligent Design (ID). In courtrooms, classrooms and even at the polls, ID has been mostly losing this battle. Meanwhile, with the completion of the human genome project and the sequencing of many other species, scientific discoveries are upending many long-held assumptions of the pro-evolution community, but they don't seem to realize it yet. The purpose of this article is to illuminate some of these discoveries and give hope to the ID community that steady, patient defense of our position will eventually win the...
 

Study shows primitive fish had genetic wiring for limbs
  Posted by SubGeniusX
On News/Activism 05/24/2007 1:47:48 PM EDT · 30 replies · 552+ views


Yahoo News (Reuters) | Wed May 23, 7:45 PM ET | By Will Dunham
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Primitive fish already may have possessed the genetic wiring needed to grow hands and feet well before the appearance of the first animals with limbs roughly 365 million years ago, scientists said on Wednesday. University of Chicago researchers were seeking clues behind a momentous milestone in the evolution of life on Earth -- when four-legged amphibians that descended from fish first colonized dry land. These first amphibians paved the way for reptiles, birds and mammals, including people. "What we're interested in here is the transition from fin to limb -- a great evolutionary event," palaeontologist Neil Shubin,...
 

Human genome further unravelled ('Junk' DNA not so junky after all).
  Posted by Jedi Master Pikachu
On News/Activism 06/15/2007 1:49:42 PM EDT · 13 replies · 224+ views


BBC | Thursday, June 14, 2007
The researchers hope to scale the work up to the whole of the genome A close-up view of the human genome has revealed its innermost workings to be far more complex than first thought.The study, which was carried out on just 1% of our DNA code, challenges the view that genes are the main players in driving our biochemistry. Instead, it suggests genes, so called junk DNA and other elements, together weave an intricate control network. The work, published in the journals Nature and Genome Research, is to be scaled up to the rest of the genome. Views transformed...
 

17 posted on 06/15/2007 11:45:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

My genes seem to come unravelled at some of the most awkward moments...


19 posted on 06/15/2007 11:50:17 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Don't mistake timid driving for defensive driving.)
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Don't look now, but this topic is turning into another
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20 posted on 06/15/2007 11:50:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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ping

Francis S Collins, The Language Of God. He is/was head of the Human Genome Project.

22 posted on 06/15/2007 11:56:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Very interesting.


33 posted on 06/16/2007 1:30:20 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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