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In Vermont, nascent secession movement gains traction
Boston.com ^ | 03 June 2007 | John Curran

Posted on 06/04/2007 1:18:58 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

At Riverwalk Records, the all-vinyl record store just down the street from the state Capitol, the black "US Out of Vt.!" T-shirts are among the hottest sellers.

But to some people in Vermont, the idea is bigger than a $20 novelty. They want Vermont to secede from the United States -- peacefully, of course.

Disillusioned by what they call an empire about to fall, a small cadre of writers and academics is plotting political strategy and planting the seeds of separatism.

They've published a "Green Mountain Manifesto" subtitled "Why and How Tiny Vermont Might Help Save America From Itself by Seceding from the Union." They hope to put the question before citizens at Town Meeting Day next March, eventually persuading the state Legislature to declare independence, returning Vermont to the status it held from 1777 to 1791.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: angryleftwing; secession; vermont
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To: tcostell
I’ll open a guillotine dealer in New Hampshire.

Robespierre's Guillotines! Open All Night!.......Se Habla Espanol!..........

21 posted on 06/04/2007 1:29:23 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Another northern state discussion secession. Deja vu. NY discussed it twice before the Civil War, as did other states. The entire nation ceded their Constitutional authority to secede if they so desired (the argument of the Founding Fathers was, “let them leave if they want. They’ll come running back.”)

Strange how so many turned against this concept when Southern states decided to use this strategy that Northern states had threatened several times before.

22 posted on 06/04/2007 1:30:07 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: snowrip

What a state of complete morons. I think all Liberals are smoking something that has destroyed their brains. Oh, I forgot, were they born with brains?


23 posted on 06/04/2007 1:30:07 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Not too sure they will still think it is so hot when they find:

1. Two hostile neighbours aka the United States and Canada (with Harper).
2. Landlocked country and need access fees for external commercial links.
3. Visa access for all Vermonters entering the United States.
4. The US Army could garrison at the borders of Vermont.
5. The leftist majority is reduced Stateside, making the United States redder.


24 posted on 06/04/2007 1:30:50 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The first signs of balkanization, like the crocus beneath the snow....

Balkanization worked really well, every time it was tried. Expect equal success in the present-day world.


25 posted on 06/04/2007 1:31:01 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I have a better idea. They can leave, but leave the beautiful land that our ancestors fought to make free. I for one am descended from a Revolutionary War Veteran from Vermont, and I won’t sit still for this just because a handful of loonies have temporarily taken political control there.
26 posted on 06/04/2007 1:31:03 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

good riddance. take Massachusetts with you.


27 posted on 06/04/2007 1:31:11 PM PDT by wny
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To: VRWCmember

Some clever capitalist closet conservative could, however, persuade the nascent “Republic” to make VT a Free Trade/Hong Kong-type tax shelter.

Could work.


28 posted on 06/04/2007 1:31:41 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Vermont:

Don’t let the door hit you.


29 posted on 06/04/2007 1:32:23 PM PDT by ConservativeDude (")
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To: snowrip; IslandJeff

Not too sure if they will still be that enthusiastic to secession if they come up here and read this thread. ;-)


30 posted on 06/04/2007 1:33:22 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

They’re gonna have to sell of lot of maple syrup and books to get their own military going. Not sure if I’d defend that state or not and if they secede, we can just swap’em out for Puerto Rico. That way, the flag can stay the same.


31 posted on 06/04/2007 1:33:43 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: NZerFromHK

[Shhhhhhhhhhh]


32 posted on 06/04/2007 1:36:03 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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To: IslandJeff

“make VT a Free Trade/Hong Kong-type tax shelter”

As someone born in the real Hong Kong, that may be a good idea. But I bet most of the Vermont residents, esp those who support secession, will see red when they hear “free trade” and “Hong Kong”.


33 posted on 06/04/2007 1:36:59 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It would be ironic if Vermont votes to secede in 2008 but the President-elect Hillary Clinton vows to crush the rebellion of Socialists.


34 posted on 06/04/2007 1:37:21 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: IslandJeff

It would be more likely to be one of the “People’s Republics” in Atlas Shrugged.


35 posted on 06/04/2007 1:37:43 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

During the week of the Battle of the Wilderness, the First Vermont Brigade suffered 1,645 dead or wounded out of a total strength of 2,100 including one regimental commander dead and two of his replacements wounded.

The First Vermont suffered 10% of the total Union causalities during the battle.

Perhaps these “gentlemen” should ask those fallen Green Mountain Boys what they think about secession.


36 posted on 06/04/2007 1:39:09 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

bttt


37 posted on 06/04/2007 1:39:30 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: RSmithOpt
Not sure if I’d defend that state or not and if they secede

The USA would defend them, as we defend every GD socialist state in Europe so that they can "notspend" on military, have huge socialist welfare states, and chide us for not having universal healthcare.

It really p's me off when they look down their noses at America for spending "too much" on the military and not enough on socialism. They COULDN'T BE socialist without America providing for their defense.

38 posted on 06/04/2007 1:40:39 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

What we really need is a partial secession mechanism, in which states “secede” from the whole federal social engineering and wealth redistribution apparatus, and otherwise remain part of the union.


39 posted on 06/04/2007 1:43:05 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: NZerFromHK

Which speaks volumes about our present situation. Half of America (exaggerated) is incorporated in Delaware (hardly a rightwing Masada) because they have generous, laissez-faire state statutes about incorporated entities.


40 posted on 06/04/2007 1:43:07 PM PDT by IslandJeff ("I used to care, but things have changed" - Robert Zimmerman)
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