Posted on 05/22/2007 10:29:28 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - A lawyer for Asian students caught in a cheating scandal at Duke's business school says they were punished more severely than others.
Durham lawyer Robert Ekstrand represents 16 students. He says most of those caught in the scandal didn't understand the honor code because they'd been in the country less than a year. Ekstrand has filed appeals for the students.
He says students quickly wrote confessions after a faculty investigator pressured them to admit wrongdoing, even though some didn't understand the allegations.
The scandal began when professors at Duke's Fuqua School of Business noticed similarities in students' take-home exams. Thirty-four graduate students were convicted of cheating. The school expelled nine students and gave 1-year suspensions and a failing grade to 15 of them. The remaining students received failing grades.
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Yes, to PROVE their ability in stealth and to provide for himself in enemy territory -- necessary attributes for a successful and surviving warrior.
Cheating on an exam, is to achieve recognition for knowledge the cheater doesn't possess...
A big difference....
Can you see that now?
“Cheating on an exam, is to achieve recognition for knowledge the cheater doesn’t possess...”
The ability to successfully cheat might mean more to some that the ability to recite some sort of esoteric knowledge.
“Can you see that now?”
Way back when I was getting my Computer Science degree, the students from Taiwan were called “Team Xerox” because all of their homework assignments looked remarkably alike.
Not too bright for "graduate students", maybe they should have been in the remedial English course?
Regards,
GtG
Well gee wiz, all I've heard for the past 40 years is that all foreign peoples are at the top of the list of the honorable (especially the Asians!), so I don't understand how Asians could not understand our vaunted honor code.
And since they'd only been in the county less than a year I guess they hadn't figured out that you have to have a certain skin color, vote for certain politicians and say really stupid things about America to become untouchable.
Hmm, maybe asians are no more honorable than anyone else? Nah, couldn't be that...
I don't know of the ethnic group involved, but when I was a TA the computer science TAs in the office next to mine were howling with laughter when comparing program printouts from two students. They were holding the pages up to the light and they were identical except for the students' names at the top. They didn't even bother to shuffle sections of the programs around. It was like comparing a Microsoft Word document to a Dan Rather faxed memo.
The best example was a class where the professor reused his major projects every few sessions so you might get the same project assigned a few years ago. One team turned in a design that was exactly the same as the professor's example design for that project he put in his library notes a few years before. The prof recognized it and those students weren't in the class after that. Oops!
Should I assume you missed the distinction?
Arabs are counted as “white.” Nevertheless you bring up a good point. Could these Asians have been Pakistanis? Malaysians? Balinese?
So, cheating is A-OK for Asians? What a crock.
They were all told during their orientation what cheating was and that they could fail if they did.
They were told by me, repeatedly not to copy other student’s work.
They were told by other professors not to copy other’s work.
When they started handing in copies, I warned them that they could fail.
Then they started not just copying other student’s programs, but turning in PHOTOCOPIES with other student’s names still on the original!!
And all 12 have dropped out of school!
(I did have 14 other students from India who did not cheat and did quite well over all - for the record).
These were not a bunch of green freshman, the FSB is a graduate program. The students knew the score or they didn’t deserve to be there.
We have two graduates of Fuquay in our office right now. One jr analyst and one intern. They are both mortified over the scandal.
They told us when it was first reported that the perps were almost all international students.
That’s a good point. But to hear liberals tell it, every country should be considered to be more honorable and ethical than America and Americans. Even the “southwesst asian” ones. Maybe this is why the current use of “oriental” is considered too accurate/racist, and leaves room for misidentification of muslims as the same as their eastern “brothers?” Just speculating...
I assume you missed the distinction. Sparta had its reasons and other societies have their reasons (develop some practical street smarts).
Are you saying the Spartans have honorable reasons in developing stealth but others trying to develop a society with a general wherewithal is not honorable? That case will not sell.
” turning in PHOTOCOPIES with other student’s names still on the original!!” Unbelievably stupid. Did they get their student visas pulled and go home, or are they still wandering around the country figuring out a way to cheat in some other venue?
Far as I know, they’re still here - somewhere.
If these students are so stupid and ethically challenged that they do not realize one must not cheat - and honor codes are usually spelled out in student handbooks - then they do not deserve student visas and should be sent back home pronto.
Yes, I was wondering if their visas would be revoked and they would be sent home. But I’m not holding my breath.
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