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Pelosi lays out criticism of immigration bill (Surrender No. 2)
The Hill ^ | May 21, 2007 | Jeremy Jacobs

Posted on 05/21/2007 12:35:40 PM PDT by yoe

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Sunday laid out her criticism of the immigration compromise introduced in the Senate, calling the temporary worker program “disruptive of families.”

“I have serious objection to the point system that is in the bill now,” the speaker said on ABC’s This Week. “Yes, we should deal with the backlog [of workers seeking citizenship]. I completely agree with that. But the family unification principles which had been fundamental to American immigration are disrupted by what is in there now.”

The point system Pelosi refers to would grant those seeking citizenship points based on English proficiency, work history, family status and passing a criminal background check.

“We're about families and family values,” Pelosi added. “And having people coming and going, taking their children out of school and being separated from them - we should try to fashion something that recognizes the reality of life.”

Pelosi’s concerns could have a significant impact on the success of the legislation as the House takes up the bill. Any significant tinkering with the legislation in the House could spell disaster for the fragile bipartisan coalition supporting the bill in the Senate.

Pelosi also addressed the conservative criticism that the bill amounts to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

“No one is for amnesty,” she said. “And there’s nothing in this bill that is about amnesty.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; hispanicvote; immigrantlist; pelosi; quagmire
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To: furquhart
Have you checked the latest FR poll? Seems there’s more than a few here who don’t agree with your assertion. This bill is Bad Law to the Nth degree.

If the Prez and Congress continue to ignore the will of the people, they'll need more than martial law to dissuade us.

21 posted on 05/21/2007 1:49:53 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Calling Libs *rats* is hate-speech against rodents.)
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To: sappy

Nancy Pelosi never met a terrorist she didn’t feel sorry for. She thinks of herself as “royalty” and above us common people.


22 posted on 05/21/2007 1:50:05 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: yoe

Working up to Cut and Run on this crisis too.


23 posted on 05/21/2007 2:04:18 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: yoe
"But the family unification principles which had been fundamental to American immigration are disrupted by what is in there now.”

What cr*p. I had to stop reading here. The "family unification principle" fundamental to immigration was when the head of the household came over here, and worked hard and saved enough to bring the rest of the family over. LEGALLY. It wasn't when some Mexican woman had a baby right across our border and then demanded that the rest of the extended family members be allowed in.

24 posted on 05/21/2007 2:18:26 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: P-40

Simple solution.....if your illegal in country you are a criminal....you should turn yourself in for enabling, coddling, pandering and bending over exercises by the congress and homeland security....a exorcism of sorts...when complete....they get a new suit, $100.00 in cash and a bus ride to Monterey, Mexico for free.


25 posted on 05/21/2007 2:30:32 PM PDT by Sovernity (What are You doing other than talking and listening???)
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To: chaos_5

As for deporting them all, you don’t have to. If you deport enough and make getting a job, a drivers license, an apartment, schooling, health care, etc. nearly impossible, the rest will go home on their own.

&&
Hey! No fair using logic!


26 posted on 05/21/2007 2:30:43 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: furquhart
Because that’s the only way you’ll ever be able to adopt any serious measure against the illegals.

We have laws in place NOW for dealing with them. The problem is, they are not enforced. If this bill becomes law, the situation will remain the same.
27 posted on 05/21/2007 2:33:46 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: furquhart
Do you really believe they will go home and apply for a visa? Do you believe they will pay a 5,000 fine? Julio ain't going anywhere. Build the fence and enforce the temporary visas. Stop the Anchor baby amnesty.
Deport the whole family (if there here illegally)when daddy gets busted for the DUI. Plenty of immigrants apply and receive temporary work visas to be here on a seasonal basis. Outside of that they must apply for citizenship through the normal channels.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
28 posted on 05/21/2007 2:45:59 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: yoe
“I have serious objection to the point system that is in the bill now,” the speaker said on ABC’s This Week. “Yes, we should deal with the backlog [of workers seeking citizenship]. I completely agree with that. But the family unification principles which had been fundamental to American immigration are disrupted by what is in there now.”

Translation: There are TOO MANY WORKERS and NOT ENOUGH WELFARE DEPENDENTS coming over in the temporary worker part of the bill. She is quite happy with selling out the country and saddling $2.5 trillion in costs for taxpayers.

29 posted on 05/21/2007 3:08:33 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: Bigg Red

“As I said on another thread, we, supposedly, can’t round them up, but what happens if this bill is passed and only some of them “come out of the shadows”, pay the fine, register, etc.? The will hear about the remaining millions that we can’t round them up either. If this bill was not so infuriating it would be laughable.”

Of course, then the liberals will whine that obviously a $5,000 fine is ‘too harsh’ and we need to cut it down.
Before we know it, the fine for breaking our immigration law will be less than a speeding ticket, and the law will be treated with the same level of lawbreaking.


30 posted on 05/21/2007 3:09:58 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: furquhart
So, the choice is this - either work with the President and others along these lines, accepting some kind of compromise to do with the others already here, and moving towards the absolute closure of the Southern border...

So we have to accept the unacceptable, or else...

Or start advocating that the President declare Martial Law. Because that’s the only way you’ll ever be able to adopt any serious measure against the illegals.
In other words, America has lost complete civil control, and we can either surrender to the invaders, or lose our freedoms.

If we accept this dilemma, we'll accept anything.

31 posted on 05/21/2007 3:23:55 PM PDT by James W. Fannin (Thanks, Cacique)
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To: WOSG
I've read through the lot....Enforcing existing law is mentioned many times however those who are in charge of Enforcing immigration laws NOW are not doing so. Enforcement is the only thing that I can agree on at this juncture. The other missing demand is that of voting. No voting for those who broke the law to get here - NEVER - NOT EVER! Voting is a P-R-I-V-I-L-E-G-E for American Citizens only. Mrs. Clinton would like to change that however, for many states, a felon has relinquished the right to vote for ever. An illegal alien is a Felon period. This “debate” has now been tabled until after Memorial Day. Keep the heat on kiddos!
32 posted on 05/21/2007 3:44:28 PM PDT by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: furquhart

“The only way to get rid of them would be through dictatorial means. “

False dichotomy.
#1) Let’s just deport every criminal alien, ie, every alien who commits a crime. That’s over 100,000 deportations right there.
#2) Let’s just get it so that the border is *secure*, with a decent fence barrier that cuts crossings from millions per year to just tens of thousands.... then use the border patrol to keep it secure.
#3) Let’s make it so employers can have a *real* verification system’ change the law that kennedy wrote that makes it a crime for employers to recheck on this after they hire someone.
#4) Then run a social security check on the million+ numbers that a dupes or bogus and send a letter to the employer.
#5) Make sure that w eare not giving social services to illegal aliens.

Do all that and you will start to drain the swamp. It’s not draconian and would not cost more than we spend today.

“If you’re not prepared to resort to such measure”

I am prepared to resort to steps 1-5. Do you object?
If not, then why not OPPOSE THIS TRAVESTY and get going on numbers 1-5?


33 posted on 05/21/2007 4:06:03 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: furquhart

“But, let’s be very clear here: simply whining about the President does and contibutes absolutely nothing. “

Some people said that during the Harriet Miers fiasco... they were wrong. We got Alito out of our whining!

Maybe if we whined loud enough, the fools in Congress would pass a better bill!


34 posted on 05/21/2007 4:07:38 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: yoe

“This “debate” has now been tabled until after Memorial Day. Keep the heat on kiddos!”

COOL - A SMALL VICTORY.


35 posted on 05/21/2007 4:09:09 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: sappy
Nancy Pelosi. Doing the job that most Americans won’t. Committing Treason.

BUMP

36 posted on 05/21/2007 4:12:40 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: yoe

Since the bill is hardly finished, Pelosi has definitely not read it. It is all about amnesty!


37 posted on 05/21/2007 7:55:29 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: yoe

I read today that 28% of all elementry kids on Long Island are hispanic. I wonder how many are illegal. BTW....there aren’t 12 million illegals here folks. That number has been used by the Gov for 5 years while 30 to 50 million more have since entered.


38 posted on 05/21/2007 7:59:51 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: gubamyster

Bttt!


39 posted on 05/21/2007 8:01:17 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: yoe

Whew! When I read the title, I was afraid I would have to agree with Nan on something.


40 posted on 05/21/2007 8:09:11 PM PDT by Nachoman (Sarcasm. Just one of many services I provide.)
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