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 Surrender Accomplished - Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass Immigration Scam - Sen. Jeff Sessions & Clara Peller |
Posted on 05/21/2007 9:14:13 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
“I am also unsure whether the Indians of Mexico, a large portion of the population, are capable of making the transition to the modern world.”
Why wouldn’t they? They’re human, just like everybody else.
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| Surrender Accomplished - Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass Immigration Scam - Sen. Jeff Sessions & Clara Peller |
Ping.
San Fransisco would be at the top of the list...They come right out and state it as such...
I know Houston would be right there as well...
OK, call it plan "C prime":
We round up every illegal we can and arm them with the AKs we're taking from the Islamists in the ME. Tell them we'll airdrop the ammo in once they are south of the border. Problem solved? Maybe.
Regards,
GtG
What kind of punishment would you suggest for those priests? Putting them in jail for helping the homeless and/or the needy?
Churches will tell you, and quite rightly, that Jesus said to help the needy without regard to status, legal or otherwise. Getting the government to interfere with that (and in a very religious country as we are) is inviting big trouble from the masses. When it comes to choosing between a mandate from God to help the needy and a mandate from the government to stop, the churches will tell the Feds to go to hell.
Your solution is impossible in a practical sense.
People on this thread are putting too much blame on the Mexicans. The problem is with Joe and Jane America, who are doing all the hiring. That's where your anger needs to be directed, folks.
Take away their tax exempt status?
Betcha that'd work. When you get to medaling in Caesar's business you can bet that Caesar will be medaling in your's soon enough.
Regards,
GtG
Lots of cute ‘goings ons’!!
Nobody minds churches helping homeless and needy. I do mind churches assisting and encouraging criminal activity. Illegals are here illegally. To provide them with assistance is to encourage more to break the law, and provide aid and comfort to those who’ve already broken it. It’s no different than a church opening its doors and hiding a rapist. They have a responsiblity to support the law of the land.
“Churches will tell you, and quite rightly, that Jesus said to help the needy without regard to status, legal or otherwise.”
Representatives should know the Bible well enough to remember to “render onto Caesar that which is Caesar’s”.
Yep. We also need to go after the illegals' wire transfers.
I say "Amen! and pass the ammunition." It is going to take something radical to turn this country around. If we don't, this country as we have known it will no longer exist within our lifetime.
Agreed. Manifest Destiny 2. It worked before we just never finished the job - Take it all the way down to the Panama Canal and get that back while we are there.
Yes they will.
There are classes in Mexico on how to obtain benefits here.
“What kind of punishment would you suggest for those priests? Putting them in jail for helping the homeless and/or the needy? “
They can help the needy all they want. They just have to report them if they are illegals and stop making an open policy of offering them protection and anonymity. If not, they should be treated the same way any other citizen would be treated for being an accomplice to a federal crime, i.e. aiding and abetting the violation of our border laws.
“Churches will tell you, and quite rightly, that Jesus said to help the needy without regard to status, legal or otherwise.”
Fine. Help them and send them back where they came from. Mathematics will tell you we can’t be an asylum to the entire world. Christ also said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and the enforcement of border laws is an issue of national defence and socio-cultural identity.
Do you support open borders? Your law-breaking clerical friends apparently do and they have no company in any other nation except a few degenerate western socialist European “democracies” and we see what that has gotten for them.
“Getting the government to interfere with that (and in a very religious country as we are) is inviting big trouble from the masses.”
What you are proposing is that churches should interfere with governmental laws.
“When it comes to choosing between a mandate from God to help the needy and a mandate from the government to stop, the churches will tell the Feds to go to hell. “
Churches have no more authority to ignore state law or enforce their own law than anyone else in a civilized society. We settled that one once and for all with Henry II and Thomas A Becket. Remember?
“Your solution is impossible in a practical sense. “
My solutions are QUITE possible and eliminate the problem without the hassle of hunting these people down individually and deporting them - almost a physical impossibility thanks to the failure of the current administration to enforce the laws President Bush swore to uphold when elected President. The function of a President is to enforce laws enacted by Congress, not to selectively ignore those with which he disagrees. Bush’s actions in this regard exceed incompetence, in his collaboration with the Mexican authorities they border on treason, and they certainly fit the description of high crimes and misdemeanors.
“People on this thread are putting too much blame on the Mexicans. “
I’m not blaming Mexicans.
Most Mexicans are decent people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families by escaping from the hellhole that a handful of wealthy Euro-elites have created in Mexico, often with the connivance of American corporate interests. I’m also blaming those American employers who create an inducement for these people to come here by vioalting our laws, the churches and other “sanctuary groups” who offer them protection by breaking our Federal laws, the lawyers who actively advocate for their cause, the Administration which seeks to create a permanent class of exploited, disinfranchised peons to serve the corporate interests it panders to, and people like yourself whose sympathies are misplaced and views on this subject are exceedingly myopic, superifical and emotional rather than analytical and logical.
“The problem is with Joe and Jane America, who are doing all the hiring. That’s where your anger needs to be directed, folks.”
I agree with you there and several of points are directly at them. They are the root cause of the present problems and should be punished first. Stop them and the illegals will be forced to leave.
If the Mexicans want to be Americans, then we should annex Mexico and make them all Americans.
We all come out ahead - the Americans and the Mexicans. The Mexicans are freed from oppression by their pseudo-aristocratic elites, provided decent jobs and educations and medical care. LEARN ENGLISH, and we receive a great country with a lot of material wealth and an incredible tourist potential with income generating beaches, resorts etc. We also get a much shorter borderline to defend - the Isthmus of Tehauntipec.
The ONLY people who come out losers are those American corporate interests which want a pool of exploitable slave labor while burdening the taxpayers with the social costs, and the Democrats who want an influx of an exploited underclass to attempt to subvert to their own needs.
You can’t have both - you can only have one or the other.
Either we Americanize Mexico, or we close the border, reduce the infux of Mexicans and make sure new arrivals come from every part of the world and are adequately assimilated into Anglo-American culture.
The latter is why American grew stronger from immigration in the past and why this new form of “immigration” is destroying us.
“Don’t forget, there’s a $5,000 “fine” that you also won’t be bothered with.”
And also, if he happened to owe any back taxes, he won’t have to pay them either. We nice American citizens will pick up the bill! I am so angry I can’t see straight!
Yup... I believe that when you transfer money earned illegally, it's known as "money laundering..." Isn't that one of the things that they convicted Heidi Fleiss on?
Mark
Thats kinda been my sarcastic response to all of this...
Lets roll up ICE, border patrol and use those funds to pay for all of the entitlements the gimmegrants are going to demand from us right off the bat...
Apparently not, because that’s what they are doing and the Feds are too scared of public reaction to go busting into churches.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070210/25738_Mexican_Congressmen_Back_Church-Housed_Immigrant.htm
function of a President is to enforce laws enacted by Congress, not to selectively ignore those with which he disagrees. Bush’s actions in this regard exceed incompetence, in his collaboration with the Mexican authorities
Come on, ZULU, illegals have been coming here for decades. It might be trendy to blame Bush for everything that’s wrong with the country, but this instance is a bit of a stretch, dontcha think? In fact, it was Reagan who handed out the first amnesty.
reduce the infux of Mexicans and make sure new arrivals come from every part of the world
Good luck. People immigrate from poor parts of the world so your arrivals are pretty much limited to third world countries, and all the backwards cultural baggage they bring. You don’t see too many Europeans or Japanese knocking at our doors.
the Administration which seeks to create a permanent class of exploited, disinfranchised peons to serve the corporate interests it panders to, and people like yourself whose sympathies are misplaced and views on this subject are exceedingly myopic
Ah, yes, all my fault and those almighty corporate interests, eh? It’s always the big guy who’s at fault, never the average voter. You might want to consider your fellow citizens, unaffiliated with corporate interests or the administration, who’s happy enjoying cheap restaurant service, cheap landscaping and cheap housekeeping and who doesn’t give a squat who’s doing the work as long as it’s at the right price.
Why is this all the government’s fault, Steve? Let’s not blame government for all our ills - that’s a leftist fallback. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and the obligation of American employers to follow the law and stop creating their share of the problem?
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