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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Politicalmom

“He used public money to pay 6 $100K+ a year bodyguards to drive his mistress to the beauty parlor.” Yeah, but did she LOOK good?


8,541 posted on 04/25/2007 7:16:44 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: mkjessup

Ya better start building somehing, there is a lot of scorched earth to cover


8,542 posted on 04/25/2007 7:16:55 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Just sayin

“Are you of the position that once a female is pregnant, all choice regarding that pregnancy is off limits and it must be carried to term as it is. Even in the event of a technological advance that sees no loss of life?”

YES!

It was her CHOICE to play around and become pregnant and it’s her RESPONSIBILITY to make sure the life she started is taken care of.

NOT someone else.

“Much is said to me on this thread about being truthful. I am very much doing that very thing. You should join me.”

I’ve said it repeatedly in my posts where I stand.

You just refuse to listen because you think your nonsense is ‘sensible’.

It’s NOT!


8,543 posted on 04/25/2007 7:17:10 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

I agree
and where does he think he will find several million women a year to undergo a surgical procedure to transfer a pregnancy to them (which I doubt will ever be possible) just so the biological “mother” can be free of consequences and go play some more?


8,544 posted on 04/25/2007 7:18:39 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: wagglebee

“don’t have any real objection to bad language “
I like to warn people if they have not seen it. I know many people here do not care for bad language. The messages of SP sometimes get lost because of that bad language.


8,545 posted on 04/25/2007 7:19:12 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Just sayin

Just sayin,Maybe someday but then you would have to get the women to agree.You sure think ahead:)


8,546 posted on 04/25/2007 7:20:04 AM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: dirtboy
>> Brave New World was meant as a warning, not as a guide for a better life in the future.

There was a kind of a better-living-through-chemistry tone to it :-) :-)

"..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon..."

8,547 posted on 04/25/2007 7:20:24 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: commonguymd

Yea, we’ll see.


8,548 posted on 04/25/2007 7:23:01 AM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: commonguymd

Yea, we’ll see.


8,549 posted on 04/25/2007 7:23:03 AM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: Sam Hill; dirtboy; Spiff
Especially since the person who supplied most of the “Swift Boating” of Kerry here at FR (my own humble self) was soon banned by him after my work was co-opted by others here.

You're a sociopath.

8,550 posted on 04/25/2007 7:23:16 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: Mom MD

“and where does he think he will find several million women a year to undergo a surgical procedure to transfer a pregnancy to them (which I doubt will ever be possible) just so the biological “mother” can be free of consequences and go play some more?”

Exactly.

He/she is trying to find a way to absolve all responsibility of the mother by giving her an ‘out’ for her actions.

Hey. Maybe I can go to the bank and say “I know I committed to the loan for my car, but could you ,just this one (really) let someone else pay for it?”

I’m sure that would go over really well.

Responsibility doesn’t stop at the end of the pregnancy.

It starts at the beginning.


8,551 posted on 04/25/2007 7:24:02 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: fatima; Just sayin
>> you would have to get the women to agree.

Aw, now, why did you have to go notice that?

8,552 posted on 04/25/2007 7:24:30 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: jmc813

And a legend in his own mind.


8,553 posted on 04/25/2007 7:25:07 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Jim Robinson

Why is my position not pro life and liberty? I don’t understand that when it is said to me. My positions are all about life and liberty for everyone and that includes the unborn.

Indeed, I seek to find a ways that life and liberty for all can be observed, preserved, respected and cherished. Is that not the goal of this site? I sure thought it was.

I mean you or this site no disrespect. Though, much sure comes my way. Like people claiming I am pro abortion when my position is actually one that wants to find a way to see it be a thing of the past. If that position is unwelcomed then I guess I will have the hammer dropped on me too.

I don’t think I seek a different outcome than most all people opposed to abortion, I just hold a differing position about how to get there. But hey, as a Duncan Hunter supporter, if I am deemed unwelcome here because of that, then I can do nothing about that. Though, I don’t think DU would welcome me in the least bit.

Sir, I am not pro death nor am I pro abortion. You have been mislead by others if you get the impression that I am either. I cannot be any more clear when I say this: “I want the days of deaths of the unborn, due to abortion, to come to an end”.


8,554 posted on 04/25/2007 7:25:12 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: T'wit

i guess I’m just one of those sticklers for details


8,555 posted on 04/25/2007 7:25:39 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: T'wit

Heehee,Gotta run,Babysitting Sarah.She is 2 years old -You have to have eyes in the back of your head:)


8,556 posted on 04/25/2007 7:26:15 AM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: Spiff; Luke21
Good morning Spiff.

Of course my hate for the Clintons is pathological. And, I've learned a lot in here lately about Rudy...and sincerely hope Fred Thompson declares.

Luke referred to me as a 'liberal freeper' because on my profile page I admit to having a soft spot for illegal immigrants whose ONLY sin is sneaking into the country to build a better life.

Because I have no firsthand experience or knowledge of the terrible conditions and crime rate of the border towns and some sanctuary cities, I tend to judge the situation the way it affects my immediate geographic service area.

Even though I hail from The Peoples Republic of Maryland, we've absorbed the illegal immigrant without even an once of pain. Our local ecnomy has thrived and social services don't seem to be strained as a result...so far.

In summary, just because I support a fast track to citizenship for illegals that have put down roots, jobs, businesses, homes, leases, etc., that doesn't make me a liberal. As a businessman, I can readily see the negative domino effect that would occur if all were rounded up and deported. The result would be devastating...thus I can understand Bloomberg's assertion that NYC would go into a depression if the illegal disappeared tomorrow.

That's the reality of it....not simply a possibility.

Cheers!

8,557 posted on 04/25/2007 7:26:26 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Just sayin; Jim Robinson

several people have pointed out obvious flaws with your “plan”
but you don’t answer, just send a whining message to the owner of this site about how persecuted you are when people don’t by your nonsense.


8,558 posted on 04/25/2007 7:27:14 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Luke21

Well, I made it back before post 8700 and am all caught up. Now, I’m off to shower before going to work out. Yes, I know it’s strange to shower before working out but it wakes me up and gets me going.

See you sometime later in the thread.


8,559 posted on 04/25/2007 7:27:24 AM PDT by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: Hildy

“yea, we’ll see”

HAHAHAHAHA - you have no idea.


8,560 posted on 04/25/2007 7:29:40 AM PDT by commonguymd
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