Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[Knitting A Conundrum]

LOLOL

[stephenjohnbanker]

: )

[del4hope]

Last I checked this thread had over 172,000 hits.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

172,247+ views

[Knitting A Conundrum]

It is necessary for every American, with becoming energy to endeavor to stop the dissemination of principles evidently destructive of the cause for which they have bled. It must be the combined virtue of the rulers and of the people to do this, and to rescue and save their civil and religious rights from the outstretched arm of tyranny, which may appear under any mode or form of government.

Mercy Warren

(I am sure I posted this earlier, but it bears repeating)

[DCPatriot]

I responded to your post because...as a person who has read each and every reply in this 8300 plus monstrosity thread, you seem to be embedded in the camp carrying the torches and pitchforks.

We all know Howlin speaks her mind.

But evidently not many people even know she's for Fred Thompson..even though it's in her tagline.

If anything, Howlin is pragmatic and a realist.

You know darn well that if she comes back on this thread she will get herself nuked.

Would that make you happy? Sad? Indifferent?

[tarheelswamprat]

I’m just wondering if he’d like to see it. Especially posts that talk about swiftboating of the leading candidate.

It's time to call it a night, but I'm fed-up with people using the term "swiftboating" as a pejorative and refuse to let this pass.

For the record, merry10, please answer this question re: the Swiftboat Vets episode: "Who do you think was telling the truth, the Swiftboat Vets, or John Kerry?"

[Spiff]

Each of his positions is closer to those of the American voters than are yours and the Rudyphobes here. His views are not extreme.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Varies Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

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Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

[jedward]

172,247+ views

That’s about right. There are 4 stages in the process of Team Building.

Forming
Storming
Norming
Performing

We have teammates out there that aren’t posting.

[flashbunny]

“Would that make you happy? Sad? Indifferent?”

I’ll let you know if and when that happens.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

We have the initiative, and we must keep it at all costs! By the way, Rudy won’t last that long
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I don’t think he will either,,,too much baggage,,,
Skroooin’ with the Troops could bite them all in the ass...

[Delphinium]

She’s still here I think, but over at that new site too.

[dukakis kerry the dream team]

Would that make you happy? Sad? Indifferent?

Maybe we should take a poll. Seriously.

[DCPatriot]

Thought so. ;^)

[upsdriver]

I, for one, take absolutely no delight in seeing anyone banned. It is entirely up to Jim how he runs this site and I have no desire to celebrate anyones demise. Those posters who irritate me, I just tend to ignore. But sometimes under different circumstances, I enjoyed bantering back and forth with some of them. Just one guys opinion.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Callin’ it a night, folks. Keep up the good work!

[Delphinium]

It sure fit.

[Kevmo]

Sam Hill admitted he’s the one who started Clown Posse and he got the boot as well.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=7830#7843

[DCPatriot]

I'm with you.

But it is now clear to me that no matter how long you've been here...no matter how much you contribute in the way of time, money and effort, it doesn't insure your safety.

Cheers!

[DCPatriot]

Good nite! “See” you tomorrow.