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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: pissant
The flaming is an unfortunate byproduct of politics.

Yes. And to most folks, flames are a sign of an emotional, partisan person who there is no point in trying to reason with.

FR at its best rises above the rabble. It's a discussion site where we win debates on the merits of the topic, on the points.

To call someone names only chases away folks who might otherwise contribute to the debate.

7,481 posted on 04/24/2007 1:41:13 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Wormwood
You remember correctly. And that was pretty damn ugly.

My guess would be that more than a few, um, "paid" Freepers have signed on since then . . . especially after this presidential election cycle opened up prematurely . . . but I don't want to cast aspersions. Actually, I do, because retail politics will be the death of us all.

7,482 posted on 04/24/2007 1:41:48 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Dominic Harr
IMO, and I will venture to speak for many here, there are 4 issues that MUST be met in a GOP nominee: winning the war against the islamo-slime, pro-life credentials, support for the 2A, and low taxes.

Well 2 out of 4 ain't bad, in my book.


You're using the wrong book.
7,483 posted on 04/24/2007 1:42:10 PM PDT by dukakis kerry the dream team (praise the Lord and pass the hamunition)
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To: pissant

I think it needs to be attacked from every angle, in all three branches of government, and at the national and the state level. Full court press on every front.


7,484 posted on 04/24/2007 1:42:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: Dominic Harr; All

“It chases away folks who may have something to contribute but don’t want to risk flames.”

I have to disagree. I was a lurker until one day I was reading a thread that really made me mad. I signed up immidentlly to voice my anger. Been here ever since.

The Thin-Skinned need not apply.


7,485 posted on 04/24/2007 1:42:59 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: presently no screen name
I could care less that MT threatened you - but I hate to see Jim in the midst of anything because of your disruptive tactics.

M.Thatcher didn't just threaten mkjessup. She threatened Jim Robinson and Free Republic in general. She flipped out, after taking somewhat of a beating lately, and said that she would call the FBI and talk to her big shot media buddies to smear Free Republic. All because mkjessup posted an animated gif of a fictional character beating on a laser printer. M.Thatcher lost her sanity, as evidenced by her threats over something utterly inconsequential.

How about you get a damned clue about what you're talking about and give it a rest.

7,486 posted on 04/24/2007 1:43:20 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: del4hope

Do 45 - 55 YO not like Danica Patrick?


7,487 posted on 04/24/2007 1:43:27 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Crawdad

Ah. Sorry. I misunderstood your post. Which is why I asked before flaming you. :-)


7,488 posted on 04/24/2007 1:44:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: Spiff
She flipped out, after taking somewhat of a beating lately, and said that she would call the FBI and talk to her big shot media buddies to smear Free Republic.

Looks like her big shot media buddies consisted of the Daily Kos.

7,489 posted on 04/24/2007 1:45:01 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: wolfcreek; Dominic Harr

Or as my grandma would say (God rest her soul):

“I *LOVE* a good argument!”


7,490 posted on 04/24/2007 1:45:21 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: pissant

I’m in that age group and.... well, er.... I know who she is.


7,491 posted on 04/24/2007 1:45:53 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Jim Robinson
Sorry, pal. I will never be comfortable speaking to abortionists.

Um, by 'abortionist', to me that word means a person who conducts abortions, a type of doctor.

Do you mean abortion supporter?

Do you wish FR to be a place where pro-choice folks don't feel free to chat? If so, please accept my apologies . . .

7,492 posted on 04/24/2007 1:46:09 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: politicalwit; All
I’ve been working on my anti-opus over the last few days. The lyrics are down and all I have left to do is compose the music.

I posted My Opus a couple of years ago.

I just use my old opus when I feel the need to post an opus.
It sure saves time that way.
Go Ahead: Click It!

7,493 posted on 04/24/2007 1:46:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Crawdad

By the way, I hope the preacher didn’t misinterpret Matthew 7:3 like almost every liberal on the planet does.


7,494 posted on 04/24/2007 1:46:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: 68 grunt
So on my side of the disagreement let me say that anywhere you go for calm and reasoned debate the division will follow.

I don't know, I've been on several sites where the balance was maintained for quite some time.

Unfortunately, it always does seem to end, eventually.

All things pass, I s'pose.

7,495 posted on 04/24/2007 1:48:34 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr

Rudy is a ‘baby-killing, homo-loving, gun-grabbing, cross-dressing’ etc. Those are some of his positions. If you don’t think those positions are positions, what exactly do you think positions are? How is it possible for you debate Rudy’s positions, if you refuse to recognize what his positions are?


7,496 posted on 04/24/2007 1:48:52 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Dominic Harr
It's a discussion site where we win debates on the merits of the topic, on the points.

How do you feel about losing the abortion debate here so badly, and having had it shown to you vividly how brutal and inhumane and animalistic the practice you support really is?

7,497 posted on 04/24/2007 1:48:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness)
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To: pissant

“don’t recall him much”
I think I tangled with him a bit when “Aberta’s Child”
posted a very good anti-roody thread. He/she/it was very pro roody. Over the top. That said, haven’t seen that nic (simmons)for a while, until the BIG opus scene.


7,498 posted on 04/24/2007 1:49:58 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Fiddlstix

LOL!


7,499 posted on 04/24/2007 1:50:09 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood.

John Adams.


7,500 posted on 04/24/2007 1:50:30 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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