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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: jmc813
I think you might be headed to federal pound me in the a** prison.
You'd better either beat the $hit out of someone or become someone's b!tch the first day you're there.


I'll go you one better: see my post #5833, lol
6,721 posted on 04/24/2007 8:34:04 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: pissant

Upon reflection, I’d be more inclined to think he was referring to the comments about the lack of support from “mainstream” Republicans, the banning of VIPs, and so on. In other words, in his mind, word is spreading to THAT world, not DK. It’s hard for me to imagine PF being tongue in cheek about this topic in the way you suggest given his prior comments in the thread, but I’m probably wrong.


6,722 posted on 04/24/2007 8:35:15 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: higgmeister
It's simple, just don't violate "Reagan's Rule." Why is that so hard for people to understand?

I have a bit of problem with this Reagan's rule thing though because to me it's a bit like taking a passage out of the Bible and applying to any situation you want to apply it to. I think the the rule can be misused and it wasn't intended by Reagan to be invoked under all circumstances.

6,723 posted on 04/24/2007 8:35:44 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: T'wit
Those two never saw eye to eye, but they worked together for the conservative good.

Exactly true of the past coalition prior to 2000. I don't understand why we threw all this away like so much garbage. I have been trying hard to pinpoint the change in behavior, and to understand why.

Of course, each time I point a finger it gets bit off, or I am in danger of losing my entire hand.

It's a sad state of affairs non the less, and we cannot repair this without leadership. As we speak, whats left of the coalition is like a rudderless ship, steaming in slow circles, only because of the magic of rotating torque, and occasionally lurching side to side, but there is a distinct sound of water pouring in now, and I don't plan to go down with the ship.

I have spent the better part of the forty years since becoming politically aware, trying to build party unity and take the congress. Once that was achieved, something happened.

I don't have another forty years, and I don't have the answer in any case. I can only watch as everything hoped for sinks beneath the surface.

Damn shame.....Really is...A damn shame.

6,724 posted on 04/24/2007 8:36:02 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: IrishRainy; Peach; Howlin; King Prout; quidnunc; FairOpinion; youngjim; LS; Jim Robinson
To a lot of us old-timers, this place is a habit. It's hard to give it up.

But some posters are making it easier every day.

I couldn't agree with you more. I've been around longer than my 2002 sign-on date would indicate. I can't tell you how many times I've thought that I just posted my last comment/thread. This thread alone exhibits a wolf pack mentality that is instructive. Let one misguided comment stray from the group-think and the pack shreds "the guilty". I am saddened that people such as Peach, FairOpinion, King Prout, quidnunc - all of whom contributed so much - are gone because they did nothing other than stand up for their convictions. But we must be mindful that each of them are driven to defeat the Hillary/Obama machine(s) and to keep us from being destroyed by jihadists bent on our apocolyptic destruction. In that, we are like-minded.

But I must say something - and it may not mean much. I am President of a medium-sized company. Every employee here has common goals. But if there are two people who think exactly alike in every way...... I probably don't need one of them. The departed people from this forum do not and did not think exactly like me, or you. But they brought value to the forum. We have been diminished significantly by their departures - whether the wolf pack believes it or not.

That said, I hope to be around. I respect many, many FReepers. Others, well....maybe less so. But, the most important criteria to me when I step in the voting booth next will be protection from the jihadists. They want to kill every last one of us - the born and unborn. I pray to God that our next leader is equipped to handle the threat.

6,725 posted on 04/24/2007 8:37:25 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: SoldierDad

I understand. Still, a third party vote any time in history has ALWAYS resulted in the LEAST desirable candidate winning.


6,726 posted on 04/24/2007 8:38:31 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
It looks like the news about this thread is getting out to the rest of the Conservative World: link Looks like some real "Libs" bit the dust did'nt it?

DailyKOS, my liberal friend, is leftist moonbat central HQ. Thank you for helping now to explain why your view of conservative vs. liberal is so upside-down.

6,727 posted on 04/24/2007 8:38:57 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Lando Lincoln

Amen. Right now, the threat is before our eyes. Anyone who looks in any other direction is simply not getting it.


6,728 posted on 04/24/2007 8:39:45 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: SoldierDad

That’s why we need to stop thinking that far ahead, to a worst case scenario before the convention even happens, and start focusing on getting conservatives in. Real conservative choices.

No time to freeze now. Now is the time to start to work!


6,729 posted on 04/24/2007 8:40:31 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: dirtboy
Hey, That explains how Rooty Toots can rationalize that Rooty is conservative.

If you use the KOS Kool-Aid Kids as a measuring stick for conservative even Rooty can fit in the lower end of the scale.

6,730 posted on 04/24/2007 8:40:35 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: dmw; M. Thatcher
M. Thatcher’s door to take her into the loony farm. She’s one crazy liberal.

IMO, to call a true conservative a liberal is defaming them. What proof do you have that she is a crazy liberal? Why do you do that; and, moreso, when they cannot respond? Why are you adding more fuel to the fire? What part of "Do unto others as you want them to do unto you" don't you agree with? If you are TRULY standing behind 'Godly principles' where does that, His Words, fit in?
6,731 posted on 04/24/2007 8:41:10 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: dirtboy
I read the commentary, and it seems a few ex-conservatives are posting on Daily Kos regarding the subject.

This is not new, as the forum once had a small but vocal population of mostly anti-Bush libertines.

As you know, Libertarians think of themselves as the real Conservatives, so it's no real surprise. It;s also not surprising that they are enjoying the show over here.

6,732 posted on 04/24/2007 8:41:11 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: LS

That is pretty much the truth. Don’t you know who’s wishing that the Republican vote splinters that way?


6,733 posted on 04/24/2007 8:42:30 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Lando Lincoln
I am saddened that people such as Peach, FairOpinion, King Prout, quidnunc - all of whom contributed so much - are gone because they did nothing other than stand up for their convictions.

It's not as simple as that. Peach, especially was driven to trash the Reagan legacy to somehow make Rudy look more conservative. Quidnunc was trolling every time he posted an anti-Fred thread.

JimRob made a decision that FR would not be used as a springboard to attack conservative candidates and/or conservative values. Rudy boosters who adhere to that are still posting.

6,734 posted on 04/24/2007 8:42:40 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: higgmeister

I love this quote.

“[T]he trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.: Ronald Reagan”


6,735 posted on 04/24/2007 8:42:46 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: FreeReign
At this stage, even months before the first primary, to back a candidate who thinks that there is a "right to an abortion" is simply the wrong strategy.

Amen!!

Fred will easily win the nomination.

From your lips to God's ears.

6,736 posted on 04/24/2007 8:42:55 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Lando Lincoln

Has the dust started settling yet?


6,737 posted on 04/24/2007 8:44:00 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don't ask.)
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To: Spiff

Amen.


6,738 posted on 04/24/2007 8:44:14 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ohioWfan

I just saw one of your earlier posts - you may be interested in my post #6,725. All the best, my FRiend.


6,739 posted on 04/24/2007 8:44:30 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: jedward
Spartanburg County, SC – Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee beat out Republican competition Saturday by more than 400 points at the Spartanburg County convention, reflecting growing momentum for his possible 2008 White House bid in South Carolina. Huckabee pulled in 3522 points, followed by Rudy Guiliani with 3161. Huckabee also came in second place in a straw poll in Greenville County with 111 votes. Mitt Romney placed first with 132.

Awesome, another actual Republican is getting some traction. This is good news for Republicans and bad news for the Rudy McRomney RINOs.

6,740 posted on 04/24/2007 8:44:57 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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