Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
You are wrong. I’m sure just about everyone knows a gay person/relative they like just fine. There is a vast difference between being gay and promoting the gay agenda.
That gay agenda is being promoted by liberal “gay rights” groups. It includes gay sex education & normalization for schoolkids, gay “marraige”, special protection against workplace discrimination so it would be as hard to fire a gay person as it is currently to fire a lazy minority, partner benefits costing taxpayers millions, “hate crimes” legislation. Just look at Canada for an example. Preachers are getting hauled in for calling homosexuality wron and sinful.
Yeah, but then we hit the electability issue. I don't see any of those guys beating Clinton or Obama or even Edwards in a year when any Republican candidate is going to be fighting an uphill battle.
When I argue with rudy supporters, they may start with "He's strong on the War on Terror", or "He's strong on National Security", or "He's hated by liberals". (not that they give evidence for the first two). But when you ask them for evidence of the first two, and mention that virtually all of our candidates are fine on those issues, it always come down with them to "electability".
I've called this defeatism. They believe that conservatism is dead, and that the best we can hope for is to appeal to liberals and independents who are, mostly blindly, walking our country off a cliff.
Rudy supporters believe that no good conservative could possibly turn these people around, and having an "R" in the white house is so important that they are willing to march over the cliff with these people by electing a leader heading in that direction.
I wonder if Jim had been drinking before that shot? :-)
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas - a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
Ronald Reagan
And that counts at home, too.
I would note that she did not call you disgusting, she said your action "disgusted" her. I hope that was a purposeful distinction, because it shows who one can react harshly to the actions of others without getting personal.
The banned poster repeatedly accused Cheney of being drunk when he shot the lawyer, when evidence shows he was not, and even after he was questioned about his comment, giving him a chance to say it was just his opinion or that he was speaking in hyperbole.
Jim has made it clear that, while he will NOT ban people for who they support (Hildy's still here, along with dozens of other rudy supporters who haven't opused out), he will no longer tolerate lies told about good conservatives on this site by people trying to promote the most liberal republican candidate.
And you never did answer my question - who are you supporting?
I can answer that for her in the context of her post: She is supporting a great conservative and a man who has devoted his life to what is good for this country and for conservative principles, Vice President Dick Cheney.
Do you support lying about Dick Cheney in order to defend the acts of a candidate?
Boy that Gipper was sure smart. He said it then, it is still true, and is being ignored by too many.
Our job is to get the message out.
If we, just everyday folks who care, don’t want to bother with getting the message out, who will?
He will not be missed. It seems like JimRob's not just going for the Rudybots. Zarf and Central Scrutinizer were anti-christian bigots. On a board where atheists and agnostics who are civil and friendly are well-represented, we didn't need that kind of crap.
Deliberately, I'm sure.
I’d say ‘complete meltdown’ sums it up pretty well.
Though I don’t buy your answer (everything Dem will fall into line behind Hillary if she wins the nomination, it’s their way) I’d like to note that you’re the first Rudy supporter who has given me a reasonable answer to that question. And it’s a good one.
LOL! Yeah......................I did.
I wasn't disappointed.
(All HEAVY sarcasm for anyone who actually takes this pre-adolescent Reagan posseur seriously).
You are right. The problem is that we sit back and take what is happening instead of fighting against what is happening. It is troublesome.
This one statment made by Reagan, is the key to fighting the jihadis.
Rudy isn't the man to do this job and most of us know it.
Note that not all of them are rudy supporters, and I didn’t keep track either of that or of why they were banned (in some cases it was obvious, they asked to be banned or called JR names or attacked Ronald Reagan or used profanity). I don’t know exactly why people are banned, and when I speculated before it got me into an argument that was unproductive.
If you see any others, send me freepmail, I’m still updating the list nightly, although I hope there is no need to update it for very much longer. I’ve already got two names for tonight:
proust1 - banned after saying a disabled child who lived to age 21 should have been killed at birth.
zeroisanumber - banned after claiming that Dick Cheney was drunk when he shot the lawyer.
As an aside, if I were choosing a name that was “thought-provoking”, rather than “zero is a number”, I’d probably chose “blackisnotacolor”
Nice.
“No I’m not. You’re just misinterpeting what I said.”
That would be very difficult to do since I pasted your comments on the post. You’ve made your choice to obfuscate and manipulate so now I no your intentions. If your plan is to subtlely attack those on this board whatever your motivations, since you are not a Giuliani supporter, you will be responded to. But your false martyrdom tactics were obviously a ruse.
Like I said................mob mentality.
And quite possibly the beginning of the demise of a once great political forum where thoughtful posts were respected, and civil discussion possible.
Many people are mourning its passing into oblivion. GOOD people.
FR has meant a lot to thousands of GOOD conservative people. It would be a shame if the mob drives them/us all away.
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