Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
“”If anyone steps over the line and starts arguing with the owner, or tearing down a good conservative to build up their own candidate or outright lying or whatever nonsense it is that gets posted in the rules, they get zapped. Who knows?””
I like Iwo Jima’s post about FR as it relates to this thread.
To: RobFromGa
I think that where this is leading is that those who have used FreeRepublic to push something fundamentally contrary to the concept of conservatism have lost their springboard for pushing their views. They will have to go to some other forum to advocate their positions.
I am a libertarian who votes Republican most of the time and identifies with conservatism most of the time. Posting on FreeRepublic has never been a problem for me because, to the extent that there is any divergence between my libertarian views and the prevailing conservative views of this website, I do not use this forum to advance any contradictory positions.
That’s really not so hard to absorb, is it?
9,728 posted on 04/25/2007 4:59:17 PM PDT by Iwo Jima (”Close the border. Then we’ll talk.”)
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I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry, at this point.
Publicly, I mean. ;)
Completely subjective. I see stories of murders on my local news all the time, complete with people in the beginning of grief that will mourn the rest of their lives. But I honestly can't tell you the name of the victim in the last one of those I saw two nights ago. But my lack of grief or lack of personal knowledge regarding their personhood does not detract from my desire to see the perps get caught and have justice done upon them.
It would seem that were I to take your attitude, I would care less about whether the crimianls were ever found, since I have no emotional connection to the crime. Depth of feeling does not create objective truth, a working moral compass, just laws, or proper public policy.
Since when is voicing ones opinion the same as “denouncing” someone. I have not denounced anyone. I have also not trashed conservatives. I’m a conservative too and if I was trashing conservatives, I’d be trashing myself. Now that’d be just downright silly. LOL
And yet again, you’re accusing me of taking marching orders from other people. I have a mind of my own and I don’t march to anyone’s orders. Do you?
I am certainly not opposed to the goals and objectives of this forum as stated on the main page. I have posted here for years now and have never been accused of that before.
At first your comments to me were quite irritating. Now I see that I shouldn’t feel that way at all. By your own words, you expose yourself and your contempt for anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
Well, I mentioned that some that don’t have FR’s best interest in mind would attempt to cause trouble. I gave them too much credit. I thought they would take a few days off, at least.
Mourning zots is hard for some. Let’s give them more time in an effort of reconciliation.
Why do you keep bringing up the fact that I registered on another forum? I told you the other day that I had done so, and that I had also registered on three others. I have not found WA to be anti-Freepers. I’m a FReeper, a conservative Republican supporting Fred Thompson, have posted that fact on other forums along with my other opinions and have yet to be insulted for it.
Remarks such as yours make FR look bad.
Personally, I think anyone who is not pushing a liberal cause, who is not bashing other conservatives (either dead or alive) just to elevate their preference, and does not mischaracterize or lie in supporting their candidate or debating their opinion is welcome. I haven't seen you do any of the above, so you're ok in my book.
I did post earlier that I find the contention that anyone "owes" their vote to the GOP really offensive. When the party goes against the very things it purports to support, there isn’t much choice but to look elsewhere. Hence, I'll work hard to make sure the guy ain't Rudy, but if it is, people should not be harped on by others if they choose to go elsewhere. It is afterall, their vote. If the GOP and the RR Pubbies keep pushing Rudy into the top spot, it will be their actions that resulted in the loss, not the voters.
Perhaps we should all come visit one of your glaciers you mentioned earlier and chill out. ;-)
I invited one poster, who was clearly out of sorts, to try a couple of the cookies because they would cheer her up. I hope she did. Cookies never fail! Cookies turn Mr. Frown upside-down and make him Mr. Smile!
Who needs a prescription for anti-depressant drugs like selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors? Anyone can chomp into a tollhouse cookie, fresh from the oven and so hot that the chocolate chips are gooey. It will cure the gloomies and grumps and scowls twice as fast; no prescription is required; it's a lot cheaper; and so easy that kids can do the baking.
If the conservative movement has to leave the GOP to find a true conservative to vote for, it won't be a "protest vote." It will be as much at war with the GOP as it is with the Democrats. If you think otherwise, you're mistaken.
I like the peanut buttery ones that have the big chocolate chip pressed into the center. I had some the other day for the first time in loooong time. Mmmmmmmm......
I LOVE to bake! We are just finishing a kitchen remodel, so I have to wait awhile to do some baking. I will be trying them, once the smell of paint fades away.
Mmmm, peanut blossoms. YUM!
Personally, I find your use of the troops as a fear factor to coerce conservatives offensive.
You are wise. Even with an extra cup of sugar, paint cookies are pretty awful.
>>>>>I could vote third party as a way of protesting, but by doing so I would also be helping the Democrats and hurting the Republicans, our military men and women, and our country’s security and future.
So, if over 70% of FReepers choose not to vote for Rudy, should he be the nominee, we all are hurting the troops and the security of America. That is an outrageous statement and right out the malcontents handbook. Its not only anti-conservative, it anti-American. I'll give credit, you sure know how to make yourself look like a fool. Most of your buds over at WA had the same problem.
You people all seem to have a lot in common, You detest FR and you all have a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth.
I've been thinking about this. Really, what you're doing is making the same arguments that started all of this, in a somewhat safer, more incapsulated form.
Except for the fact that the Libertarian Party is against defending ourselves in the War on Terror, and the libertarians are typically pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and pro-drugs, they fit right in here.
The Libertarians appear to be in agreement with Rudy on everything except the War, aren’t they?
I don’t understand it either, but some folks are pretty angry. They can’t let go of it, it turns to bitterness and they lash out. But how much of that is a reflection that the freeper does not agree with the core values? They lost FRiends, yes — but if you look through some of those FR’s postings in the rudybot threads, it’s obvious they did not agree with the founding principles of this website and if they pretended to, that makes them trolls.
As I posted before, but at the time I posted this the first time, there was no “non-unicornian” alternative, and now there is: WideAwake.
I’m sure the left-wing non-unicornian side of the democrat party is very willing to hear your candidate’s message.
Here’s an example from February
Just what ARE Rudy’s qualifications that make him the “BEST man to lead as CIC?”
Posted by Kevmo to Skip Ripley
On News/Activism 02/26/2007 5:31:39 PM PST · 466 of 486
You’re not listening...Rudy Giuliani won’t split anything.
***The last three FR polls show Rudy splitting the base. You’re not listening.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1782311/posts
He can’t...he is what he is.
***He is a liberal.
A “split party” is a reaction to a primary loss by a band of people who didn’t get thier way. Hence the term “sore loser”.
***Whig party is more like it. If you guys can’t learn from history and how the republican party was formed, then history will bypass you. By the way, it’s the GOP that’s leaving us, we’re not leaving it.
The only way the party will be split is if the folks who don’t get thier way in the primary opt out.
***Let’s just say we’re the Unicorn Admiration branch of the party, again. If we consistently see that Unicorn Admiration stuff is still on our platform but non-unicornian candidates have been calling us “sore losers” and “kool aid drinkers” and “party splitters” and “hillary voters” and the whole gamut, what do you think happens? The truth is that this here unicornian arm of the GOP commands some pretty impressive numbers, and we are all very reluctant to part with our unicornian belief systems. It’s the non-unicornians who don’t value their belief systems and can’t see the big deal about a few dead baby unicorns or the right for unicorns to keep and bear UnicornArms or the traditional Unicorn values. The non-unicorn side of the party is a bunch of losers. Whenever the party loses an election they blame it on us because we don’t fall in line with them. Whenever we win an election they preempt our values and say we’re too extreme. And the non-unicorns are too dense to realize that they risk breaking up the GOP Permanently.
The candidate does not tell them to stay home...he does not say “I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee”. Those “split” folks are the ones doing the splitting.
***No, but when the candidate accepts money from the Unicorn Hunters Association, and there’s 30Million dead baby Unicorns and the unicorns are blatantly ignored by that candidate, he is ONLY trying to win the dumb Unicornian vote. But basically, we Unicornians have our own candidate and we’re moving forward with him. This is a Unicornian website, so your candidate certainly isn’t making any brownie points by having his followers come here and talk down about unicorns, insulting unicornians, and ignoring dead baby unicorns. Why don’t you guys go to the other non-unicornian websites and win converts there? I’m sure the left-wing non-unicornian side of the democrat party is very willing to hear your candidate’s message.
My solution is this...we have the primaries...we support our candidates. We let the chips fall where they may.
***Agreed, and I look forward to your former mayor endorsing Duncan Hunter. Of course if it’s anything like the way he endorsed the last few GOP candidates, it will be a speech full of left-handed compliments.
When the dust settles and the air has cleared and a nominee is picked, we support him or her (Condi?) because we’re Republicans and we want Republicans to win.
***Good for you. Now, do yourself a favor and check to see if this is a republican website? Is it? Does the GOP pick up the check? Here, I’ll help you with the answer: NO. So the next time you come onto someone’s Unicorn Admiration Society website, try to learn a little bit of Unicorn before you start insulting them for not giving up their Unicornian beliefs. It’s just plain polite — and after all, the word “politic” comes from the word “polite”. I am not interested in your liberal candidate. I’m sure you can find some liberals who would be.
Now I know some of you are saying “No, I’m a Conservative, I want Conservatives to win” Great...then you should go off and form your own party.
***Got that. We have been hearing it more and more lately. It’s a numbers game from hereon in to determine whether or not we are welcome. If we aren’t, and we form our own party, the GOP is doomed. Good luck with that.
Either that or you can accept the decisions the majority of folks within your current party make and then work to steer that party towards your view.
***Well said.
Abandoning the party is not working to change it.
***If anything, the party would be abandoning us.
Abandoning the party is setting fire to it so you can argue about how best to put the blase out.
***Very well said, except that your starting premise is invalid so your conclusion is wrong. Other than that I like what you say.
Thank you, calcowgirl. Welcome to everyone who wants to chill out on one of our beautiful glaciers. LOL ;)
I don’t think that anyone “owes” their vote to the Republican party either. When I say I will vote Republican it is not because I owe them anything, it is strictly based on my personal opinion of what I think is the best possible options.
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