Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
By George, I think you’ve got it! :-)
You’re right. Think about it. What are the Democrats’ main talking points? “We’re from the government and we’re here to take care of you,” right? So why would somebody who’s susceptible to THAT line vote for a Republican who says “We’re from the government and we’re here to help you, but not as much as that other guy?”
I’m just a fat guy who tests software for a living, sitting in a cubicle in North Carolina, and I can figure this out. And highly-paid political operatives sitting in RNC headquarters in Washington can’t?
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BTTT
All of this disruption is an insult to mainstream Freepers and an impediment to the success of Free Republic. I am not sorry to see it go.
The deeper issue was the effort to incrementally drag FR leftwards. Unfortunately for that bunch, Rud's candidacy and their promotion of such turned the heat up high enough under the frog for the frog to notice.
One more thing. If you nominate a candidate that stands for what you believe in, and you fight for him/her with everything you’ve got, all your resources and heart and soul and blood and sweat and tears, and in the end, you still lose? You can look at yourself in the mirror the next morning and know that you didn’t compromise or sell out. You stayed true to your beliefs and faith. You didn’t deny yourself or what you believe just for the sake of power. And, you’ll put yourself in position to do better the next time.
I’m not talking about political martyrdom for the sake of political martyrdom. That’s not tilting at windmills. But if you throw your best out into what Rush calls the “arena of ideas,” and you still lose, at least you did it honestly. And the reassuring thing is, when true American small-government, strong-defense, low-tax, rugged-individualist conservatism gets put into the arena of ideas? IT DOESN’T LOSE!
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Sure sounded like Sen. Phogghorn orating on a soap box and calling good people names.
When faced with undeniable truth, you close your eyes and ignore it.
I am not personally responsible for the ebb and flow of this thread. Someone made a comment that contained a direct threat to conservatives concerning a future Giuliani nomination. Not only was it misplaced, it was a challenge. I reposted it and called out the poster for what he is. I'm not getting lost in high minded rhetoric. I'll leave that to the moderate-centrist-liberal contingent of FReepers, who seem not to get the message.
If I observe malcontents, misfits and militants running down the conservative mission of FR, I will speak up. This forum has never been a pace to promote liberal issues, liberal causes or liberal candidates.
For the umpteenth time, FR exists to advance the conservative agenda, promote conservative candidates and defend the Constitution. Exposing people who oppose that agenda is a job for ALL conservatives!
Yes, or just left vs. right. They don't much care whether they win by dragging us or by shooting us. Either way it's our job to enunciate and stick to conservative principles, and to stand firm against intruders.
If one desires the speedy demise of the Grand Old Party, and a quick victory for the Democrats, support Giuliani.
If one is satisfied with the slow-motion death of the GOP, and the continued incremental destruction of the principles of life and liberty that are the foundation stones of this free republic, pick a squish.
If one desires the eventual overwhelming victory of conservatism, which works everywhere it’s been tried, select leaders who have proven themselves to be unyielding on its behalf over a long period of time, and whose heart is set on winning the war no matter how long it takes.
Do you own all of those websites, or do you have permission to borrow their bandwidth for this high traffic thread?
Just curious.
What I don't understand is what you think electing a President who will put the same emphasis on this issue that you do can accomplish, in the absence of moral conversion of the pro-death population, or at least a significant number of them.
Abortion is a moral problem. Voting, and electing Members of Congress and Presidents, CANNOT solve the root problem.
That's why I can vote for a candidate who is wrong on this issue. Politics and political life can't solve moral problems - they can only reflect, or measure up to, the virtue or vice of the people who are doing the choosing.
There is in my opinion no legislative solution for the abortion problem, given the level of vice in our society.
Of course Roe can be and will be overturned. A constitutional order cannot survive the naked assertion of power which lies behind Roe.
But after Roe goes, I don't believe that the number of abortions will fall - it may even rise as legislatures compete with each other to be more permissive than other states.
Can you explain to me what your goals in electing a "pro-life" President are, which will make progress that has not been achieved already by twenty years of "pro-life" Presidents from 1981-1993 and 2001-the present?
And, as I've said, if there are enough primary voters who feel as you do, Rudy can't be nominated. But I think that remains to be seen.
Zing me, ping me. Thanks
You know my politics. A vote for Rudy is a vote for liberalism ---- yesterday, today and tomorrow. I've been a Republican my entire life. Republicanism is the political vehicle that drives conservatism. If the GOP decides a liberalism is the best bet for the future of the GOP, then I will choose to take a different route for the 2008 general election.
In 1952 and 1956, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat who voted for Eisenhower. In 1960 Reagan was a Democrat who voted for Nixon. By 1962 Reagan was a Republican. In 1976 Reagan fought Pres Ford tooth and nail for the nomination and lost in the closet nomination campaign in history. There is nothing etched in stone that says a life long conservative Republican must vote for a liberal candidate running on the GOP ticket. Its still a free country and political choice is a founding principle of America.
Maybe its time conservatives seriously considered finding our conservative agenda a new home. Maybe in its own party. The "Conservative Party" has a nice ring to it.
Three responses to that.
First, we've seen that a pro-life president and two pro-life judges can both get a PBA ban signed and upheld by SCOTUS. So Roe could fall as well in the near future. Pro-lifers in position of power matter.
Second, the American populace has gradually drifted more to the pro-life position. Having a pro-lifer in the bully pulpit is critical to continue that motion. Having a guy with a 100 percent NARAL rating as the standard bearer for the GOP would grossly undermine that position of leadership that the GOP has taken for the pro-life movement.
And third, at the end of the day, even if you cannot effect the change you want as quickly as you want it, if you believe that abortion is murder, it is impossible to rationalize away your vote on a guy like Rudy who is so far left on the abortion issue.
I expect more civility and ingenuity here moving forward here at FR than I've seen in the last 2-3 years.
Many of those who've committed FReepercide were so predictable and boring that it's like a nice, fresh spring cleaning has occurred. New approaches to challenging issues are seen sprouting up from different people, just like emergent wildflowers alongside a forest trail.
I can smell the fresh air as I type.
“Bug-zapping frog”? I guess you missed dirtboy’s allusion. It was to the proverbial “frog in the pot.”
I got all the images from Google. If folks didn’t want them used on the web, they would prevent folks from hotlinking to them. Since when is this an issue?
In browsing FR, I see that too. Good post.
Since the time Moses came down from the mountain carrying a couple of stone tablets.
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